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If you love sailing at its extreme #283818
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To offer you a topic in order to calm down a bit after all the political passage of arms, here's:

http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en

The most famous round the world single-handed sail contest.

This time there is also a Dutch sailor in the fleet who is the eldest contestant (65).
He is multimillionair and pays everything out of his own pocket.


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This is really extreme. 3 months non-stop sailing on your own...


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Is this a monohull only race? where are the multihulls in the picture?

Ellen Macarther did it alone in 71 days on a big trimaran:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/sailing/4229079.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40803000/jpg/_40803487_ellengetty300.jpg



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Sorry Timbo, I have to correct you a bit.

First, yes there only monohulls (Imoca type).

Ellen Macarthur did indeed a separate recordchase in 2004 solo round the world in a very big trimaran B/Q Castorama in 71 days.
Her round-the-world course is however not the same as now in the Vendeeglobe race.

Still, a lot off the boats who sail now, are equipped with foils (see the vids) and will need probably round the same time or less.

P.S. Macarthur did join a Vendee race in 2004 and finished second in 94 days



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I just can't comprehend how they do that on no sleep....


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As far as I've understood, they sleep naps no more then 15 minutes without a pause.
Especially in areas where there is a lot of seatraffic and in times with difficult weathersituations the number of naps will decrease.

On the long run, on the wide big oceans, they take longer and more naps if the situation allows that.

Sleep-deprivation is a well known problem in these races.

But it remains racesailing..... Always at maximum speed, at the edge.

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After reading the book, The Race, about the 100' cats racing around the world, I reconsidered my need for that kind of 'fun'.

Even fully crewed, it sounded like a lot more work that fun, and the descriptions of the noise down below at 30knots, not to mention the wave jumping and crash landings, would have made sleeping just about impossible for me.


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Originally Posted by Timbo
After reading the book, The Race, about the 100' cats racing around the world, I reconsidered my need for that kind of 'fun'.

Even fully crewed, it sounded like a lot more work that fun, and the descriptions of the noise down below at 30knots, not to mention the wave jumping and crash landings, would have made sleeping just about impossible for me.


After three or four days, you'll find ways to get a little sleep in just about anything. It's amazing how, at the brink of exhaustion, how just laying down and just closing your eyes does recharge you a bit.


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You should know, Mr. EC challenge smile

And Timbo, was that book the one with Randy on Team Adventure when their boat almost broke up off South America? I think I remember reading it, but should probably turn those pages again...


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Yeah, that is the book. One guy got off Randy's boat because he was sure he was going to die. He said that even when down below trying to sleep, you could always tell when Randy was driving! (extra noisy from the increased speed)


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Originally Posted by Jake
[quote=Timbo] It's amazing how, at the brink of exhaustion, how just laying down and just closing your eyes does recharge you a bit.


Except when you're being eaten alive by mosquitos at Everglades City?


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You reconsider fun when on hour 36 of no sleep, sewing needle in hand, about 100 miles from the spot the titanic sunk with 2,000nm more to go and no mainsail. Racing across oceans is real work, and I think it takes a crazy frenchmen or once in a while crazy brit to continue thinking its fun! Love all the tech in the boat, and applaud all the shore teams and skippers for getting their boats this far with no major breakages (a first I think for this race).


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For really witnissing this round the world race, you have to click on the link "daily motion" somewhere at the outsite or down below videos.

What you get are small vids taken each day by the skippers on their boats. Very enjoyable .


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Great stuff Ronald, thanks for the links!

And here's another kind of wild sailing, the Australian 18' skiffs, their season is getting underway down under, they have a live streaming You Tube Chanel, I was watching their Sunday race late last night (Saturday night in the States), check this out, it starts with the fleet leaving the launch area, the Double Bay Sailing Club, there's about no wind because it's in a sheltered cove, but as soon as they get out past the point, into Sydney Harbor, it's game on with 20kt gusts.

Skip ahead to 9 minutes in, check out how fast the white boat is going under kite after the gybe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwOnVzACTIM&feature=em-lss



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You have to watch Alex Thomson in the second part of the the next vid:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5...r-la-marine-nationale-vendee-globe_sport






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Wow! He's pushing that boat hard since he doesn't have the SB board anymore. Does the foiler help with righting moment? I thought he was going to broach a couple of times in that video.


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Originally Posted by Redtwin
Wow! He's pushing that boat hard since he doesn't have the SB board anymore. Does the foiler help with righting moment? I thought he was going to broach a couple of times in that video.


The foil is quite a bit off the centerline of the boat so I would guess that it adds quite a lot to the righting moment of the boat. I thought it might have been a little odd that his keel seemed to be nearly centered - they have the ability to cant that thing quite a lot. Perhaps he discovered that he needed it to prevent leeway in the absence of that foil. That would also further decrease righting moment. He sure was flying a lot of sail!



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http://cdn.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/unnamed-1.jpg

Here's an explanation for your answer Jake.

Maybe he's using his extreme heeling of the boat for anti drift. He lacks the foil!

I think that showes the exceptional art of Alex Thomson.





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Originally Posted by northsea junkie
http://cdn.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/unnamed-1.jpg

Here's an explanation for your answer Jake.

Maybe he's using his extreme heeling of the boat for anti drift. He lacks the foil!

I think that showes the exceptional art of Alex Thomson.






Thanks Northsea - I understand the physics (I'm an engineer). I think the excess heal was a little "showboating" by Alex, personally...while his outboard starboard foil is gone, he still has a rather long and efficient keel that only looses grip with the additional heal - regardless, it's definitely fun to watch.

How these boats have evolved is pretty impressive. They are effectively sailing on a side-edge hull profile not unlike a multihulls on one hull. Unlike a multihull, they maintain self-righting properties.

Thanks for that diagram. It looks like the foil is one piece from side to side? Is that right? In the updates I've seen from Alex he keeps talking about needing to get down there and saw off the jagged bits and I couldn't figure out why that was necessary...but if he needs that to retract into the hull in order to extend the other foil, I can see how that might be a problem.


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