| Re: 35th America's Cup
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#287449 06/24/17 12:16 PM 06/24/17 12:16 PM |
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Surprising how the lead boats aren't covering (loosely), it's hurt them both.
Nathan did say that they've found that following around into a tack is faster than gybing going into the gate to gain a split.
Mike
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[Re: P.M.]
#287451 06/24/17 12:29 PM 06/24/17 12:29 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Oracle did it text book perfect. Tack earlier and you loose your boundary privileges. They re-acted to the dial down and stayed clear as good as they could coming off a boundary tack. It was just a bad call. It looked like they could have turned down more, but didn't expect NZL to hold the dial down as long. I didn't like the call at first, but it looks correct in the replays. Probably could have gone as a no-penalty, but I don't think it was a horrible call. Mike | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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#287452 06/24/17 12:31 PM 06/24/17 12:31 PM |
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Surprising how the lead boats aren't covering (loosely), it's hurt them both.
Nathan did say that they've found that following around into a tack is faster than gybing going into the gate to gain a split.
Mike Exactly! I still think that at least one time I saw them tack, it was into a header so just tacking to get a split isn't great - but the other time that was executed, it looked even and like a decent move. It's soooo hard to cover in that kind of breeze. It costs so much while maneuvering to stay on your opponent that you are likely putting yourself in jeopardy. The question is how confident you are in the patch of water you are sailing in and toward. So, the dial down. I see two advantages but I'm lost on what it does for you otherwise. If you can force your opponent to get a penalty during the maneuver (particularly if they're just tacking away from the boundary where there doesn't appear like there is anyway to avoid getting a penalty), sure...looks great. If you can force your opponent to be much tighter on their layline, also looks great. But just executing a dial down in the middle of the course for no reason other than you're headed right at each other, what's the point? You both go equally faster and you're now distracted from what the wind is doing. I'm not a fan of the move unless one of the other scenarios is present.
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Jake Kohl | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
[Re: David Parker]
#287456 06/25/17 07:15 AM 06/25/17 07:15 AM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Race 6 stats (course wind 9 kts):
Average Speed: 26.71 kts USA
26.65 kts NZL
NUMBER OF TACKS & GYBES: 19 USA
17 NZL
DISTANCE SAILED: USA 4489.6 (m)
NZL 4249 (m)
Oracle has found some speed but at the sacrifice of boat handling, which could be the Achilles heal in a critical maneuver. Oracle sailed a longer course, had two more tacks than NZ, and still won. The difference was reflected in the legs with significant gains, like leg 6, and the upwind legs. Both teams were equal in speed upwind and the tactics, position, and being on the favorable side of the slightest shift paid big for Oracle.
If the racing remains tight, the team that wins the upwind legs, will likely win the cup, just like AC34.
TIME OF EACH LEG: LEG USA NZL 1 44 secs 48.2 secs 2 89.1 secs 91.1 secs 3 308.8 secs 315.1 secs 4 213 secs 194.9 secs 5 352.2 secs 358.1 secs 6 106.5 secs 126.3 secs 7 133.3 secs 124.9 secs
On the final reaching leg NZ reduced an 18 seconds deficit down to 11 seconds.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
[Re: David Parker]
#287457 06/25/17 07:17 AM 06/25/17 07:17 AM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Damon, the quick reply or the full editor will not accept consecutive spaces. I can't seem to get it to work. FYI.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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#287459 06/25/17 08:22 AM 06/25/17 08:22 AM |
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | Race 6 stats Average Speed: 26.71 kts USA
26.65 kts NZL
DISTANCE SAILED: USA 4489.6 (m)
NZL 4249 (m). Those numbers don't add up. If USA sailed 4489.6 meters at an average speed of 26.71 knots (13.74 meters per second), then they sailed for 326.8 seconds. Likewise, if NZL sailed 4249 meters at an average speed of 26.65 knots (13.71 meters per second), they sailed for 309.9 seconds. | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Race 6 stats Average Speed: 26.71 kts USA
26.65 kts NZL
DISTANCE SAILED: USA 4489.6 (m)
NZL 4249 (m). Those numbers don't add up. If USA sailed 4489.6 meters at an average speed of 26.71 knots (13.74 meters per second), then they sailed for 326.8 seconds. Likewise, if NZL sailed 4249 meters at an average speed of 26.65 knots (13.71 meters per second), they sailed for 309.9 seconds. Data came from here: Match Race 6 Statsthe website is reporting it wrong (looks like it is reporting just one downwind leg), but the app is reporting it correctly, but race 5 & 6 hasn't been updated yet in the app. Nice catch Eric.
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