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#287492 06/26/17 08:33 AM 06/26/17 08:33 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Since I didn't watch the BT version with Cayard (probably should, but I do like Nathan & Draper's comments).. Too bad the three of them couldn't be on the same show.
Questions: - Did Oracle really remove an accumulator? If so, Burling needs to drive all over him to force maneuvers and kill the oil pressure - Oracle does have trouble getting up on foils in the light stuff, so I could see how NZL could pull off that hook. - Did Draper really say that Ashby has something of an "app for that"? I think he said Algorithm that sets wing parameters... like you were saying about "following the dot" He also said Tuke was controlling the ride foils.
The guy who washes the wing at night likely has more sailing ability in his pinky finger than I will ever get during my life, so major props to all the teams (FRA included). This has been the most exciting cup series I've watched since the 80's. No one has really run away with things (well, except for NZL lately but I don't think it's due to groundbreaking design like AUS II or the USA trimaran).
There were plenty of nail-biter races (SWE/NZL comes to mind most often), and deltas of 30 seconds are considered "runaway" victories.... Hell, I remember deltas of 5 minutes or more being a close race in days of yore...
And whether the AC developed these technologies or not, I do hope some of it trickles down to the rest of sailing. Automated ride height, wing foil controls, and even basic foil shapes should make sport boat/multihull sailing more fast, safe and fun.
Jay
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#287493 06/26/17 08:41 AM 06/26/17 08:41 AM |
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Lol, I still need to go back and watch it. I'm wouldn't be offended by that wave - Spithill has been talking trash ever since he's been in the America's Cup. That's what trash talking gets you.
Maybe that's my long-term memory starting to fade, but I don't remember anything like that in this cycle. Mike It hasn't been that bad this time around...there was some slightly snarky stuff from Spithill on Saturday. The last iteration, though, really set off New Zealand and their media is really being tough on him. As is Clean from Sailing Anarchy. Clean asked him if he felt like he was too old and then started asking Burling if he expected Oracle to switch helmsmen. Some New Zealand media asked Jimmy (and I paraphrase loosely) if he was saying that a team sponsored by a computer / data company was having trouble with their computers/data on the start line. Ouch. Oh, and BTW, it's our very own Laura Muma - Chicago and Florida catsailor (A-cat & F18) who is hosting many of those press conferences!
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#287494 06/26/17 08:44 AM 06/26/17 08:44 AM |
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Oh, and BTW, it's our very own Laura Muma - Chicago and Florida catsailor (A-cat & F18) who is hosting many of those press conferences!
Isn't Ding her crew sometimes?
Jay
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Since I didn't watch the BT version with Cayard (probably should, but I do like Nathan & Draper's comments).. Too bad the three of them couldn't be on the same show.
Questions: - Did Oracle really remove an accumulator? If so, Burling needs to drive all over him to force maneuvers and kill the oil pressure - Oracle does have trouble getting up on foils in the light stuff, so I could see how NZL could pull off that hook. - Did Draper really say that Ashby has something of an "app for that"? I think he said Algorithm that sets wing parameters... like you were saying about "following the dot" He also said Tuke was controlling the ride foils.
The guy who washes the wing at night likely has more sailing ability in his pinky finger than I will ever get during my life, so major props to all the teams (FRA included). This has been the most exciting cup series I've watched since the 80's. No one has really run away with things (well, except for NZL lately but I don't think it's due to groundbreaking design like AUS II or the USA trimaran).
There were plenty of nail-biter races (SWE/NZL comes to mind most often), and deltas of 30 seconds are considered "runaway" victories.... Hell, I remember deltas of 5 minutes or more being a close race in days of yore...
And whether the AC developed these technologies or not, I do hope some of it trickles down to the rest of sailing. Automated ride height, wing foil controls, and even basic foil shapes should make sport boat/multihull sailing more fast, safe and fun. I didn't hear about them actually removing anything other than the stairstepper but I suppose it's possible. I heard in one of the rule press conferences from Saturday that the class legal boat weight is X +/- 100kgs and they're limited to only making 100kg changes at a time (I think I have that right but you may want to double check that before you put down any money on it!). So, they are limited in how much they can remove...but getting 200lbs out of the boat is quite a lot of stuff being chucked overboard. IF Oracle wasn't sailing right near the minimum weight to begin with, this is another example of them just not being prepared in my opinion. I still think they're all still guessing a good deal at what control systems they have employed. Remember, though, the rules are very clear: data systems and control systems have to be mechanically and electrically isolated. All wiring has to be clearly labeled and both systems have to have their own electrical disconnect. A computer cannot read a sensor and make an adjustment. A computer can recommend an adjustment and the sailor can react to that recommendation but it has to be on a different device. A computer also cannot recommend an adjustment and perform any mechanical guidance to making that adjustment. All control input has to be "manual" although "manual" can include some degree of firing off timed sequences of control motions (I'm not 100% clear on if that timed sequence can include more than one action per control input but I suspect that it can).
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Oh, and BTW, it's our very own Laura Muma - Chicago and Florida catsailor (A-cat & F18) who is hosting many of those press conferences!
Isn't Ding her crew sometimes? Yes
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#287497 06/26/17 09:31 AM 06/26/17 09:31 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | So what happens when NZ takes the cup?
Are foiling cats done? Are we back to yawnfest monohulls? Is NZ going to put a stranglehold on the cup by insisting that all of the team members be from the country of the challenger?
I suspect that a good portion​of that will depend upon their COR. Who do we expect that to be? Mike Supposedly Luna Rossa. LR as COR? On boy. They're probably the only ones (of recent entries) with the spite to want to go back to monohulls. Mike
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | So what happens when NZ takes the cup?
Are foiling cats done? Are we back to yawnfest monohulls? Is NZ going to put a stranglehold on the cup by insisting that all of the team members be from the country of the challenger?
I suspect that a good portion​of that will depend upon their COR. Who do we expect that to be? Mike Supposedly Luna Rossa. LR as COR? On boy. They're probably the only ones (of recent entries) with the spite to want to go back to monohulls. Mike Supposedly someone interviewed Bertarelli and he said that he was ready to jump back into the AC on the current boats - So who knows whats in store for the future. All I know is that I don't trust the Kiwis. They're vindictive and spiteful - well at least Dalts is. | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | The kiwis don't want an $$ arms race. They struggled with funding this cycle. The current cycle format works in their favor.
I do see NZ government throwing some resources at it if they are defenders.
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#287500 06/26/17 11:00 AM 06/26/17 11:00 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Any attempt to shrink teams and budgets have failed miserably. Sure, there are fewer sailors, but the support teams are massive. It may not be realistic, but I'd really rather have it be the other way around.
BTW, where has Uncle Larry been hiding? I seem to recall him being front and center during the last cycle.
Mike
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#287503 06/26/17 12:08 PM 06/26/17 12:08 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I can't get logged into NBC Sports Network or even get to a login screen on the live screen - anybody else having trouble?
Jake Kohl | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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#287505 06/26/17 12:10 PM 06/26/17 12:10 PM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Jake, I have 2 accounts, it happened to me on one of them, the other is working fine. . . . so F*ck NBC
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: 35th America's Cup
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I agree with the split there...it was a closer gate.
I agree with the NATURE of that split...I can't see the breeze on this low resolution and multitasking on a conference call ;-)
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