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#31296 03/13/04 09:38 AM 03/13/04 09:38 AM |
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,355 Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ... RickWhite
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Posts: 3,355 Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ... | I was about to respond that I used to race against a Condor and sailed on one in the Ft. Lauderdale to Montego Bay Race, but then I finally saw the word "catamaran" and that blew out that post. The Condor I know of is a trimaran. While you are putting pix up, also post one on our picture site. It is located at http://www.catsailor.com/gallery/At that point I believe all you can do is view what albums are there, except those registered users that want to keep personal albums unavailable. (Neat way to collect albums of family, friends, etc and not have them stowed in the attic, yet still private) To post pix you have to register and give a verifiable email address. You will not be able to post until the program emails you back. At that point you can log in and upload pictures. To get started you need to start an Album or two or more. Click on Click on and then in the box below name your album. If you want more than one, Click on again and again until you have all the Albums you want. Then click on Then all you have to do is Click on , select the Album you want it in and click on Upload. The size of the pix is limited to no more than 2000 x 2000. At any rate, that is the basics. Thanks, Rick | | | Re: Condor help
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#31298 03/13/04 04:01 PM 03/13/04 04:01 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | Brian, I got your email this morning. I was rushing so I did not answer. I took some photos of a Condor at the Club today and will get those measurments hopefully tomorrow. The only difference between a Condor and a Hurricane 4.9 is the rig. When Reg White started building the Condor, he decided to add an extra bit of power, so he designed a larger rig, taller mast and greater sail area. I will be in touch. Dermot
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#31300 03/14/04 07:02 PM 03/14/04 07:02 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | You wanna see a Condor, well don't get your hopes up. I am not used to posting Pictures, and my scanning is not too good. The quality of the pictures from old magazines and posters leaves a lot to be desired. The Condor was designed in 1969 by John Mazzotti. ( He also designed the brilliant single hander the Unicorn - still raced, probably the first "A Cat" see www.catamaran.co.uk/unicorn/unicorn.htm ). The Condor was quite advanced for its time, but it had a series of "not so great" builders and, when the much simpler, but equally fast, Dart 18 came along, the Condor was left behind. By the time Reg White took it over it was too late, even with the Hurricane 4.9 rig. I hope that you can find it at: www.catsailor.com/gallery/index.php?cat=10029
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#31303 03/14/04 11:52 PM 03/14/04 11:52 PM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Dermot, I was surprised that on the Unicorn website it does not say anything about the fact that the Unicorn (an A-Class cat) was a primary candidate, along with the Tornado (at that time a B-Class cat), to become the first Olympic class catamaran. One of the main requirements was that the design had to be capable of being home-built to keep the Olympics accessible and affordable. Both boats met that requirement, but the home-building theory doesn't seem to have worked out very well for the Olympics. | | | Re: Condor help
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#31306 03/18/04 12:57 PM 03/18/04 12:57 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | That's the genuine article alright ! You can see where the extra hatchcovers have been fitted to facilitate work on the centreboard casings, which tended to leak. Mainly because they were transported on a unique road trailer. The cat faced backwards (or the back faced forward). The hulls were supported by two padded cups (sounds risqué) in the centre of each hull and at the centre of the rear beam. This support was also the mast support. The padding on the hull supports wore away over time, and while travelling the metal ate into the hulls. It is easy to spot the French K L beside the Condor,and the Dart launcher under the Condor but who recognised the red Dart 16 on the other side. And another yellow Dart 16 further down with its rudders in the upright position..
No, I don't know who owns the van in the background - but I bet that it has a UK reg.
While I am at it, as well as the UK and Irish Condor fleets, there was a reasonable French fleet at one time, and also for some reason, one in Cyprus.
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#31307 03/18/04 04:38 PM 03/18/04 04:38 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | I have added another photo to my Condor album. It shows one of the last Condors built by Reg White in 1988. It is now based in Galway Bay Sailing Club. It also shows the trailer arrangement, although I don't think that the mast should be resting on the forebeam. Over on the right hand side, I have just spotted the only Prindle 16 in Ireland. It is now red, but was originally yellow. It came from Canada in the early eighties in a container as personal luggage, with a Doctor (originally from England) who came to work in Ireland. I have just had another query from someone in England, maybe we should revive this class !
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#31311 03/19/04 08:22 PM 03/19/04 08:22 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | There was (is) a Zygal Boatyard in Whitstable and Sharp Catamarans in Whitstable were the builders in 1981. I also know that there was a Condor fleet there in the Eighties. It is not far from Brightlingsea, where Reg White is based. In 1970 a guy called Arthur Edmonds was the Condor builder and brought the first Condors to Ireland. He came over and raced against the Shearwaters to prove that the Condor was faster.
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