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Finally doing it! #34338
06/13/04 07:22 PM
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Yes,
I talked about it a while back and I am now finally doing it. We are almost completed putting a Tornado rig on my P19. Robbie Daniel took the time to do some precise measurements and with very minor modifications we are able to make the adaption. Mods include a carbon pole with snuffer, Tornado self-tacking jib and of course a spinnaker. With Robbie's expertise we were able to do away with a lot of lines, sheets, wires and tracks that were a pain on the P19. The tramp is extremely clean and take-up lines will keep everything nice and neat.

I took her out solo last weekend and got a taste of the spinnaker. Oh, my!

Most likely this coming weekend we will be giving her a sea trial for further adjustments and coaching.

Will get a shot of her with her new clothes a little later. Feel like a kid at Christmas!!

Dave

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Re: Finally doing it! [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34339
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Cool deal Dave! Tell Robbie that Whisk, his Mystere 6.0 #310, says "Hello!"

Here's a picture of Whisk with her Tornado main sail. (15%, or 3M² smaller than the Mystere 6.0 main sail).

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Re: Finally doing it! [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34340
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Dave, You're a madman! Can't wait to see it!


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P19-Tornado [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34341
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Are you doing away with the bow foil? Why, or why not?

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Re: P19-Tornado [Re: hobiegary] #34342
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Hey Gary,
I never ran a bow foil on my P19. With my MX package I ran a small pole off the forward beam about the height of the top of the hulls. I have decided to sell the MX jib set up. I like to set up as quickly as possible and the change of rigs is too time consuming. Since I live so close to our launch area, I leave the pole, snuffer and the jib stuff on the boat.

Dave

Re: Finally doing it! [Re: Jake] #34343
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Jake,
I wouldn't call myself a madman! I was just trying to liven up the Prindle. LOL Robbie claims that she will be hard to beat in the light air, but I need to get crew to sail the rig to it's potential when the wind builds. Hey... congrats to doing the 500 miles. I respect you very much for that.

I'll keep you posted. To keep it easy to understand, the platform (which is a bit smaller than the Tornado) is running more horses because I am running a P19 MX main which is bigger than the Tornado's main. Suppose it is time to install those foot straps, huh?

Nice talking to you.

Dave

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You are running a Tornado rig? You are running a P19MX main sail? Now I wonder if I have misunderstood you. Did you, or did you not change your mast?

When you said that you went to a Tornado rig, I thought that you meant that you tossed your 30 foot mast for a 31 foot Tornado mast.

Now it looks to me as if you have added a Tornado Spinnaker and Tornado Jib.

GARY


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Re: P19 or Tornado rig [Re: hobiegary] #34345
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Hi Gary,
My bad. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I used the term "rig" incorrectly. I will clear this up. I kept my P19 mast, I added a Tornado pole and snuffer kit, I am using a Tornado spinnaker and jib. Also am using a Tornado self-tacking track with their adjusters. We will be looking at the fit of the main, next.

In my excitement I used the term "rig", when I should have known the rig refers to mast. I am sorry if I caused a misunderstanding. It was not intentional.

Dave

Re: Finally doing it! [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34346
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Dave, you sail this monster solo ???
( but I need to get crew to sail the rig to it's potential when the wind builds.)

HOW ????

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Steve

Re: Finally doing it! [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #34347
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Hi Steve,

As any sailor knows, there is "no way" to sail the boat to it's potential...solo. Just too many things going on. The reason I put it together was to play with my friends who mostly sail solo with spinnakers. These solo spinnaker sailors have I20, Mystere 6.0, Hobie 20, Mystere 5.0, Hobie 18 to name a few. We get together on the weekends and "drag race" and hot dog in the Gulf. We are on equal terms, since we all single-hand.

How?? I weigh about 200 pounds and am 6'2", which helps. I sailed my P19 MX package mostly solo for three years. It did have some power. The self-tacking jib is a plus. I trap near the rear beam where I have immediate access to most of the "strings".

Of course, when the wind builds, the spinnaker can't be sailed to it's potential because of lack of crew. Most of us just like to beef up the boats and have a good time.

Hope that answers your question. Oh, by the way...we have reasonable light winds here in Florida during the summer. Except when the thunder storms make themselves known.

Dave

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Hi Dave,
Your 200lbs is about 91kg, not really that heavy - the top 2 Mozzie sailors here are about that, then they have crew at about 55-60kg (130lbs), so they`re 330lbs all-up, on 16ft boats with 16sqm sail area upwind & 14sqm spinnakers (about 160sqft main & jib, 140sqft spi.)
Then again, we have either NO wind, or HEAPS of it. In summer we wait until 4pm, where conditions change from not enough to hold a race, to 22-25knots, the transition normally takes about 5 minutes. Kinda weird, paddle out to the start line & then sail in survival conditions.
At the Round Robben Island Race (The prison in which Nelson Mandela spent way too much of his life), the race got off in light breeze, then died away leaving the competitors drifting behind the island. The ride home got interesting when 30knots came through.
In winter, it either rains with lots of wind, or rains with no wind, although right now it`s a beautiful sunny day, 23degC midwinter, and I`m stuck behind my PC. Rain is forecast for the weekend, typical.


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Steve

Re: Finally doing it! [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #34349
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Attached is a pic of the Tornado spinnaker. For those of you that thought it would be a monster....I rolled it earlier that day

Dave

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Re: Finally doing it! [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34350
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Who's pretty G-Cat 5.7M is that in the background?

Oh, and the Prindle looks like a lot of fun too!


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Re: Finally doing it! [Re: Sycho15] #34351
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The G Cat belongs to my friend, Hans Geissler. He sails off the causeway with us on a regular basis. NOBODY sails a G Cat like Hans. Since you own a G Cat, I am sure you know who he is. But, did you know (in addition to many other sailing accomplishments) that he sailed one of his G Cats (single-handed) across the Gulf of Mexico?

Attached is a pic of the beginning of my tramp transformation.

Dave

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Just so everyone knows, I witnessed Dave's first capsize of his P-19. It's never been over before. Guess who helped him right it?


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I know Hans, he's worked on my G-Cat before a few times when the factory was in St. Pete. To quote a friend of mine regarding Hans' sailing ability, "He sails with God".

Can you name the guy who Crewed for Hans on his trip to Mexico? (without asking him) Your only hint is his nick-name: "The Squid"


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Tornado Spin on a Mystere 6.0 [Re: catsailorp19mx] #34354
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Picture attached.

GARY

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Can you name the guy who Crewed for Hans on his trip to Mexico? (without asking him) Your only hint is his nick-name: "The Squid"


Was it Dave Brooks?

Re: Finally doing it! [Re: Mary] #34356
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Nope, try again

Also, didn't you used to run a r/f reacher? If so, what will you be doing with it?


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Sycho, are you talking to me? If so, I only have a reacher for my Hobie Wave.

Anyway, Hans Geissler and Dave Brooks sailed/motored to Mexico on an 18-foot trimaran that Geissler built. His prior crossing was singlehanded on a G-Cat (16', I think).

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