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#37497 08/30/04 11:42 AM 08/30/04 11:42 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | From my perspective (and I have no training on the matter) this prediction is pretty consistent with their predictions in the past. It doesn't appear to be much broader. The NOAA "Discussion" gives you insight as to what they are thinking. Note the last paragraph... 000 WTNT41 KNHC 301425 TCDAT1 HURRICANE FRANCES DISCUSSION NUMBER 23 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 11 AM EDT MON AUG 30 2004 THE LAST RECON MISSION HAD 107 KT WINDS OUTBOUND IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT EYEWALL. THIS DOES NOT QUITE SUPPORT A MAXIMUM SURFACE WIND OF 105 KT....BUT ON THIS MORNING'S SATELLITE IMAGERY...THE HURRICANE IS LOOKING A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED...SO THE INTENSITY IS KEPT AT 105 KT. UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW APPEARS TO BE INCREASING... AND ANALYSES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN CIMSS AS WELL AS THE SHIPS GUIDANCE INDICATE DECREASING VERTICAL SHEAR. THEREFORE STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST AS IN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY. FRANCES HAS THE POTENTIAL TO INTENSIFY MORE THAN INDICATED HERE. THE FORWARD SPEED HAS INCREASED AND INITIAL MOTION IS NOW ABOUT 275/11. FRANCES IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF A SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AND THE TRACK MODELS SUGGEST THAT THE EASTERLY STEERING CURRENT WILL STRENGTHEN SOMEWHAT DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. GLOBAL MODELS INDICATE SOME WEAKENING OF THIS RIDGE AFTER 72 HOURS. HOW MUCH THIS RIDGE WILL WEAKEN IS CRITICAL FOR THE LONGER-RANGE TRACK OF THIS HURRICANE. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND VERY CLOSE TO THE MODEL CONSENSUS AND THE LATEST FSU SUPERENSEMBLE FORECAST. ONE CONCERN IS THAT THE GFDL MODEL FORECAST TRACK HAS GENERALLY BEEN SHIFTING MORE WESTWARD WITH EACH SUCCESSIVE RUN. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NOT TO FOCUS ON THE EXACT TRACK... ESPECIALLY AT 96 AND 120 HOURS...BECAUSE THE HURRICANE IS NOT A POINT AND FORECASTS AT THESE EXTENDED TIME RANGES CAN EASILY HAVE ERRORS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES. FORECASTER PASCH FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 30/1500Z 19.3N 58.7W 105 KT 12HR VT 31/0000Z 19.4N 60.7W 105 KT 24HR VT 31/1200Z 19.9N 63.5W 110 KT 36HR VT 01/0000Z 20.6N 66.2W 115 KT 48HR VT 01/1200Z 21.5N 68.8W 115 KT 72HR VT 02/1200Z 23.5N 73.5W 115 KT 96HR VT 03/1200Z 25.5N 76.0W 115 KT 120HR VT 04/1200Z 27.5N 78.5W 115 KT
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Here comes another one
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#37498 08/30/04 12:28 PM 08/30/04 12:28 PM |
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Posts: 552 | Jake and all, Yep, we are watching this one real close in the Virgin Islands... ...It had slowed down,..which in the storm business is bad news,......because that means, it is building in intensity... ..plus, it was tracking North-ish, and harmlessly into the Atlantic, but now has done a due west....bringing it into the Bahama chain and ??...we had a Hurricane do a 90% right turn once to hit St. Croix dead center,...anything can happen. ..our boats are up, stripped and secure,...this next 30 days are the peak 'hit' times......so I just keep the boat packed away..... ...the warm waters feed these storms,...if Francis makes it to the shallow warm Bahama waters,.. ...this storm should be past St. Croix early Wed morning,.....the wind is up above the normal 15 mph and we had rain lines come in this morning... ..a certian sea bird, the big Petrel,..is seen alot before a big storm,......I saw them out today,...they soar so high, almost out of sight,..they are like little specks in the sky.. ..so, time to prepare regards, Bruce St. Croix USVI | | | Re: Here comes another one
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#37501 08/30/04 04:13 PM 08/30/04 04:13 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | It's funny,
To the day 8 years ago, Hurricane Fran was in exactly the same spot! It recurved out into the Atlantic. All eyes are on the building ridge to the north and where the upper low in the lower Bahamas is going to track. Keep your shorts on folks!
Bob Curry Meteorologist | | | Re: Here comes another one
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#37503 08/30/04 07:12 PM 08/30/04 07:12 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | The ridge building to the north (forecast) is what is troubling me. This would keep it on a more westward track and would have a HUGE impact again on South Florida. However, it's still too early to tell. Everyone with an interest from Miami to Hatteras should be prepared to seek shelter early as roads will obviously become clogged by those who wait until the last second. This is assuming the worst. I'll do my best to keep everyone informed with the "insider" information. Bob | | | Re: Here comes another one
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#37504 08/31/04 10:51 AM 08/31/04 10:51 AM |
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Posts: 552 | 11 am update from St. Croix
The winds are out of the SW here around 20-ish. Francis is north of us and the eye should pass , going westward, this afternoon. There are cloud bands covering the sky.
The North shore here is a tremendous site, like Hawaii 5-0, with 7-8 foot rollers on a calm sea, the tops being blown off by the wind as they break on shore.
The tide is up about 5 ft and St. Thomas, BVI and Puerto Rico, being 40 miles closer to the eye, will hae more waves, wind and rain.
The Hurricane Hunters are stationed here and they come and go. I see that Francis is dropping to 948mb, which is a not-good sign.
So, the good report is that it missed us. However, be warned, it is coming your way.
Bruce St. Croix USVI | | | Frances Update: 31 August ,1715L CST
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#37506 08/31/04 05:48 PM 08/31/04 05:48 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | The next 24 hours are crucial as to where and when it will begin the northward turn. Today, the upper low began to move westward and the ridge began to build. The latest satellite images showed a NW wobble but then a more westward march. Movement is 280 degrees. Think of it as a top, it won't spin on it's axis but wobble around in a circle. So, tomorrow at this time I might be able to clue everyone in to where she might go.
The NHC discussion this afternoon was very sit on the fence-ish. There is a lot of model conflict at the 72hr point. And, 4 models did flip flops on their respective paths. Folks in Florida south of Cocoa Beach should begin some type of plan for evacuation. However, everyone along the Atlantic coast south of Hatteras should be ready!! That's my first hint/guess as to where she might go! Hope it curves out to sea like Fran did 8 years ago.
Bob | | | Another tidbit..... #37507 08/31/04 06:56 PM 08/31/04 06:56 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | A landfall on the United States mainland is appearing more and more imminent as Frances continues to move to the west. Residents in the Bahamas and Florida should begin to take the necessary precautions to prepare for this major storm. As of Tuesday afternoon, Frances was located approximately north of Puerto Rico and was headed toward the west. A gradual turn toward the northwest is expected over the next couple of days. Frances will pass to the north of the Dominican Republic Wednesday, and approach the eastern Bahamas Wednesday night. This dangerous storm will hit the U.S. coast this weekend. (Thanx to AccuWeather)
Bob | | | Re: Here comes another one
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#37508 08/31/04 07:41 PM 08/31/04 07:41 PM |
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Posts: 264 Long Island, NY | What if you go out with main only and really crank on the downhaul??
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#37509 08/31/04 07:56 PM 08/31/04 07:56 PM |
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Posts: 591 Bradenton, FL | Greg- That might work in Tampa Bay with my 5-batten Hobie 14. You're welcome to try if you want to borrow the boat.
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#37510 08/31/04 09:15 PM 08/31/04 09:15 PM |
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Posts: 1,911 South Florida & the Keys | I think you could fly with only the mast, boards and rudders faster than you have ever gone before!
Eric Arbogast ARC 2101 Miami Yacht Club | | | Been there (sort of)
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#37511 08/31/04 10:10 PM 08/31/04 10:10 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Got caught in a pretty stiff blow during a race. Winds could have been around 40. Broke a spreader, which made the mast flex so much I actually got the sail down with the downhaul still cranked.
Long and the short of it, I made 6+ kts with just the bare pole in that breeze. I could probably fly a hull trapped out in a hurricane if I were so inclined to end up in the obituaries....
Jay
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#37512 09/01/04 06:31 AM 09/01/04 06:31 AM |
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Posts: 324 South Florida | waterbug, in this type of a hurricane you may fly two hulls!! I've got to start making preparations. I wonder if those screw-in anchors would be enough to strap the catamaran to the ground
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#37513 09/01/04 06:48 AM 09/01/04 06:48 AM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | waterbug, in this type of a hurricane you may fly two hulls!! I've got to start making preparations. I wonder if those screw-in anchors would be enough to strap the catamaran to the ground No. Take the mast down, take the tramp off. Take it home.....
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Posts: 552 | Florida Cat Owners, After being in St. Croix 13 years, with many 'big' storm hits, here is some suggestions.
1. Take care of your boat today( Wednesday). As the storm comes closer, more priority items appear and time grows short. Plus easy access to stuff becomes a very hard job. A friend, Brother, Mother , Son, etc. may call any moment for help,..and you gotta go! -strip EVERYTHING off the boat, mast, rudder system, tramp, lines, everything. -tie boat down or 'hide it' somewhere. ..if it gets airborne, consider it destroyed. - If you can dissassemble the crossbars, better yet. ...this way, you can make the cat 'compact', slid in a garage wall, whereever. - water in the hull, at 8 pounds a gallon ( 20 gallons = 160 pounds) is great, easily removable, weight. - tie mast down somewhere. ...yes, these 'fly' too, and usually, cannot take much of a 'hit' before they are worthless.
Non Boat tips!
1. Fill bathtub full! - it is amazing how little water it takes to shower, adults and kids. - plus, this will be used to work toilets 2. DO ALL YOUR LAUNDRY! -before Hurricane Marilyn, 1995, my wife was doing laundry, I was a little unhappy as I was on the roof securing stuff, she said' you will see', [ her being through Hugo in St. thomas]. ...sure enough, no power for 2 weeks, man, you will be happy for clean clothes and bedsheeets after a hard day. 3. Non Refrig FOOD 4. Camper stove w/ fuel! 5. Camper Lantern, non battery 6. Non battery Board Games ( you will need them, especially if you have kids) 7. Small Radio 8. Rechargable drill ( many a story about saving a house by refastening a board on a window in the midst of a storm) 9. Plastic Garbage bag everything! Double Plastic Bag the important stuff.
HOW bad is the wind driven water?
Well, I have witnessed water blown through the cement block walls of my house. Not thru the roof, not thru a opening,...but thru pores in the stucco,the block and the cement, so that the inside of the wall is wet, weeping water.
Get Ready.
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