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epoxy 16 #3959
11/19/01 01:16 AM
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I'm going to epoxy my 16 this coming spring to improve stiffness, will I have to align it again or will it stay the same as it was when I took it apart? I'm sure the rest of my fleet (204) will walk me through it anyway but I was wondering
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Re: epoxy 16 #3960
11/19/01 06:01 PM
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There is a great article by Gary Willcox in the "On the Wire" e-mag archives that takes you through the process, step by step:
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<br>http://www.catsail.com/archives/v3-i2/feature1.htm
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<br>Mike Esposito
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Re: epoxy 16 #3961
11/22/01 01:18 AM
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It just so happens I glued my 16 a few weeks ago!
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<br>On measurements: Before I started work, the diagonals (I measured front pylon to the bow bolt for the bridal wire) were 4cm different. ie the boat was not square! After putting the boat back together after gluing, the difference was still 4cm, so I used the main blocks to pull the boat together diagonally between pylons across the greater length. I pulled until I had gone 0.5cm beyond square - this was to allow for spring back. It worked, as when I detensioned the blocks after a few days curing. she was perfectly square.
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<br>On materials: I used International's "Epiglue". This was very workable and stayed soft for at least an hour while I worked.
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<br>Climate: Dry, 20-25 degrees centigrade.
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<br>On technique: I didn't undo the whole tramp frame - just removed the 4 corner castings from the pylons all together. I also loosened off the tramp. I turned the tramp frame upside down & filled the 4 castings with epoxy. Then I put the pylons in upside down - they slid in easily. After doing up the bolts and spreading some extra epoxy into the gap between casting and pylon, I turned the boat back the right way up and placed it on two beams that I had laid out roughly horizontal. This eliminated some of the uncertainty about aligning the boat properly. After pulling the boat square with the blocks, I checked the difference between a measurement taken across the rudder gudgeon centrelines and a measurement taken across the bow bolt hole centrelines. It should be "4 inches less at the bow - 3 inches is OK". (I got these measurements from an Aussie who I trust!). Mine measured 3.5 inches, so I guess that's OK! Finally I cast my eye along the hulls to see it they were vertical. They seemed to be, so I left it at that! Finally I laced the tramp back up so as to hold everything together a bit more.
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<br>Results: I raced the boat the following weekend in a 5 hour race off shore. I also did a delivery trip the day before. Winds varied from light to 20 knots and the sea state from flat to 8 foot swells. The boat is much stiffer, although I took no measrements to quantify this. In flat water upwind a puff translates to acceleration straight away, rather than there being a hull wobble before she gets going. Performance in the rough is better too, although there were one or two loud cracking noises while I drove her hard over some swells with two on the wire. I think this is either the epoxy that is in tension breaking down, or a trapped air pocket imploding. The result is that the diagonals are now 2cm out! Still this is better than before and the boat still feels stiff! In any case the castings can no longer lift up 1/2 inch at the rear pylon. Perhaps I should have used more epoxy...
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<br>Good luck on your project!
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<br>PeterD
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Re: epoxy 16 #3962
11/23/01 01:36 AM
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thanks, Just what I was looking for!
<br>cheech<br><br>[Linked Image]

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Re: epoxy 16 #3963
11/23/01 08:03 PM
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Maybe I should consider doing that to my 16. My 16 is a 1983 but has some hull flex even with the tramp laced as tight as possible with 3/8 inch shock cord. Is it worth doing? <br><br>Hobie 14 sail #17827
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Re: epoxy 16 [Re: heavyair14] #3964
11/26/01 01:38 AM
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according to my fleet yes and ditch the shock cord,
<br>but I've never seen a 16 laced with shock cord so how do I know.
<br>cheech<br><br>[Linked Image]

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Re: epoxy 16 #3965
11/26/01 05:15 PM
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Try the www.catsail.com site. Loads of information your looking for. Check the archives. <br><br>

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Re: epoxy 16 #3966
11/27/01 06:18 PM
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I like the shock cord lacing on my 16 better than the rope it was originally laced with when I bought it. It gives a tight tramp and is easy to lace with. <br><br>Hobie 14 sail #17827
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