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Re: Placing of new logo's and interest in a few [Re: ] #46093
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Wouter, you said something about having a vote to get a consensus on logo size, appearance and placement. Are you going to do that? If so, we will wait to put on logos until after the results of the vote, so we can be consistent with the other F16s.

If there are no guidelines, Rick will probably put his near the top of the sail. We want high visibility for the logo because Rick is going to be racing the boat this summer in Ohio and Michigan.

Personally, I think the second panel up is fine.

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We can have a vote on it.

Currently we are running along the lines of the Formula 18 and Formula 20 classes. They don't specify the need of a class logo in the sails only the sticker near the clew that you get when you have your boat measured. A manufacturer can have no F18 insignia at all (Hobie Tiger) or have only the boat name and brand logo (nacra F18). Some builders and sailors add an F18 logo somewhere.

I think it good to allow the builders to have the top spot in the sail for their brand logo. Of course sailnumber and nation code should be clearly visible so middle of the sail for those. That pretty much leaves the bottom portion of the sail as the prefered spot for the (optional) F16 logo.

I'm personally for leaving some freedom in the way the mainsail is stickered. Eventually we will get small measurement stickers near to clew of every sails and those will be rules upon but about class insignia I think we can allow a good measure of freedom.

This brings me to the next proposel and vote : See the next post

Wouter


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Proposal :

-1- Keep the placing of insignia free, but specify an official preference when insignia are fitted to the boat. See later in the proposal.

-2- Compulsory will be the 3 character nation code (NED, USA, SIG, AUS etc) + a 3 digit sail number (001, 100, 123 etc) Both most adhere to the ISAF regulations on sail numbering. ISAF rules on place and size and lettertype; so need for the F16 class to rule on those aspects.

-3- F16 signia may be placed on the boat and sails but are not compulsory. However F16 insignia may only be the official class logo in the way it is presented in the files or character strings as specified later. Only the colour of these may be changed. Single colour use per insignia or string is enforced. So no rainbow strings or something.

-4- Both class rules 2.2.1 and 2.8.1 apply (2.8.1 will be reworded by me to specify our official class logo which is the Cyclone type F following by the number 16 above two bars signifying the two catamaran hulls)

2.1.1 The full name of the class is "Formula 16 class for High Performance Catamarans"; and her official abbreviations in order of preference are Formula 16, F16, Formula 16 HP and F16 HP .

2.8.1 .... Crews are ... allowed to carry the character strings : "Formula 16" ; "F16 High Performance" or "F16" on their sails and hulls as long as the graphic can not be interpreted as being a sanctioned class emblem.

So ONLY these strings and the official cyclone logo may be used as F16 identifiers. The placing and size of these are left open within ISAF regulations. All other markings on the boat will be considered boat name/brand type/sail number or advertising and all of these are regulated by the ISAF international rules for classes. Of course we are not a member of ISAF BUT most events use these rules and guideliness of ISAF anyway and may restrict participation if a particular boat does not adhere to these regulations.

-5- markings on other parts than sails are left largely open as long as points -3- and -4- are satisfied


*** F16 prefered convention on sail markings ***

-1- When a brand or type logo is used :

Brand/type logo on top of the sail and in the usual location (second panel from the top)
Nation code + sail number in the middle of the sail or just above the middle of the sail and near the leech.
F16 class logo or identification string in the bottom of the sail and near the leech (second panel from the bottom or bottom panel)
F16 measurement sticker, measured data and signature will be near the clew of the sail so this spot must be left open. (measurement will be implemented at a later time)


-2- When no brand or type logo is used :

Either the top part of the sail is empty of logo's or the F16 class logo (no strings) is placed there.
Nation code + sail number in the middle of the sail or just above the middle of the sail and near the leech.
F16 class logo or identification string in the bottom of the sail and near the leech (second panel from the bottom or bottom panel)
F16 measurement sticker, measured data and signature will be near the clew of the sail so this spot must be left open. (measurement will be implemented at a later time)


The official F16 class membership is not finished yet so this vote is still open to all.

Poll ends 1 april 2005








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Thank you, Wouter.

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Hi Wouter,

correct me if I am wrong , but when I asked for a sail number didn't we discuss the fact that we are not allowed to use Nation Code unless we are official International class with ISAF, which we didn't want to do, interference cost etc. So we were going to use groups of numbers for different parts of the world eg. starting 5000 for Australia.

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correct me if I am wrong , but when I asked for a sail number didn't we discuss the fact that we are not allowed to use Nation Code unless we are official International class with ISAF, which we didn't want to do, interference cost etc.


I personally don't remember that part. I must admit that I didn't look into this specifically. However I know the Taipans use the nation codes as well and they are not an official international class with ISAF either. I can name a few more classes; 18HT for example. So if I had to guess than I would say that ISAF is not very strict on the use of nation codes.

I do remember that Phill proposed that one-off F16's would be numbered in the 5000 range. Especially the mosquito's as they were so many made of these over the years. But it is a good point as you have 5000 as sailnumber now. Well we can make the rule "... minimum 3 digit sailnumber ..." Would that be okay ?

Of course we have quite some legacy in the F16 class with both the Taipans, Stealth and even the Spitfires using the 3 digit sailnumbers. Both Taipan and Spitfire apparently started at number 001. Stealth Started at 500. Blade has now started at 700 and the one-offs are all over the place (006, 016, 5000 for example).

Personally I think the only option we have is too stick with the proposal we have now and changing the wording to 'at minimum a 3 digit sailnumber"

Sorry for the mix-up Gary,

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I just paid "Robi" for 4 logos for Paul and I and hopefully we'll get them soon.

So here's my question:

Should we put them on the sail (lower panel) or on the hull between the rear crossbeam and the stern? Please advise...

[I'm leaning toward the hull placement since I've got two main sails.]


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IMO They will hold alot better on the hull. Thats why I put mine there as well. Matt McDonald mentioned also that he is going to put his decals in that same location as well.

I guess US, U.S. F16'ners are onto something. Remember this class lets individual countries do there own thing. So no worries go ahead and put where you think is best.

Also the vynil that was used to make your decals, is a premium eight year outdoor vynil. So it should last you a good ammount of years.


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The proposal for the logo's on the sails are only to avoid wildly varying ways of stickering up the sail that could lead to confusion. Apart from that I don't see a point in ruling on the logo's other then specifying the shape and single colour use. So it is your choice wether you put it on the hull or sails. If you do put is on the sails than it is prefered that you do so in the bottom part of the sail. That is it.

Robi is right that everybody is welcomed to use his or her personal freedom within the rules.

In short ; the proposal rule number 5 applies :"-5- markings on other parts than sails are left largely open as long as points -3- and -4- are satisfied"

Regards.

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Bump, any last minute votes in this poll ?

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Just a minor follow up on our discussion earlier in the week on the open forum about nation codes... Wouter I believe that you said that these would be determined by the citizenship or residency of the skipper/crew. However my reading of the ISAF rules (RRS Appendix G 1.1(b) - Appendices D-G here) is that the nation code denotes the national authority of the boat.

This is not necessarily in conflict (a national authority may use the residency/citizenship of the skipper to recognise the boat), but the particular way the ISAF defines nationality applies to ISAF recognized classes, and by implication to classes recognized by national authorities. So requiring adherence to the ISAF rules is fine for placement, but doesn't actually provide a relevant mechanism for determining nation codes for a class that is not yet recognized.

Of course if F16 ultimately becomes recognized then there is no problem, but in the meantime it seems to me that if the F16 rules are going to make a nation code compulsory (Proposal 2 - which I agree with), then they also need to explicitly define a convention for determining which nation code will be used (such as what Wouter has elsewhere proposed). Simply referring to the ISAF rules on this point will not be sufficient.

So unless there is already something there that I've missed, I would suggest that there needs to be an addition made to the F16 rules that makes the definition of nation codes explicit.

Apologies for being pedantic.

Mark.

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A peek into the upcoming proposals

Go to :

http://www.geocities.com/f16hpclass/F16HP_class_rules_proposed_april_2005.html

And take a look at the upcoming proposals in worked out form.

Look at the rules

1.12.1 (simplification of the mainsail rule leading to the same end result but in much simplified form)

1.13.2 (simplication of the jib rule leading to the same end result but in much simplified form)

2.8.1 (Non-votable change)

4.2.3 to 4.2.9 (these are the new sail marking rules)


The modifications to 1.12.1 and 1.13.2 are still under development and it is also important to note that the mods are intended to keep the ruled upon end result the same while making the rules themselfs much easier to use. So in basis these are much more rewordings of the same rule than changes.

Mark, would the given rules 4.2.3 to 4.2.9. satisfy you (or anybody else who feels like commenting) ?

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4.2.3 The competitor needs to apply for a unique "nation code and sailnumber" combination with the international Formula16 class and have it attached to the designated places before registering for an event. The builder supplied combination will be accepted when possible.


It is not clear to me whether the owner of F16 is actually REQUIRED to display the nation code. "needs to" is not the same as "shall" or "must."

As Lee Parks at US Sailing told me, even ISAF International and Recognized Classes often do not display country codes if only racing within the United States and not participating in international events.

Also, you said you will assign a nation code based upon the boat owner's country of citizenship or residency. Is this going to be the preference of the sailor applying for the number? If so, that should be added to that rule.

Also, if participating in an international event, the country code has to be based upon the country that person is representing in the event.

Right now, for instance, Robi might request and be given a country code of PUR, even though he is only racing in the United States. But if he is still in the United States when the F16's start having international competitions, and if he wants to represent the United States, he will have to replace the PUR with USA. Right?

Also not clear to me: If national F16 Class associations are formed in various countries, will numbers within those countries be assigned by the national class association, or will the numbers continue to be assigned by the F16 International Class Authority ad infinitum?

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It is not clear to me whether the owner of F16 is actually REQUIRED to display the nation code. "needs to" is not the same as "shall" or "must."



Is now changed into "must".


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As Lee Parks at US Sailing told me, even ISAF International and Recognized Classes often do not display country codes if only racing within the United States and not participating in international events.


Well, independent of others, the F16 class does require this.

The reasons are that class voting is linked to these unique combinations and we have several double numbers in the F16 class that we can MAKE unique again by adding the nation code.

I understand that some of us need to get out and buy 6 sticky characters (including myself) but the cost of these is very small. And sticking them to the sail is easy as well. I think nearly all Taipans has nation codes already. Same with Stealths so these crews don't have to do anything.

If we want to be a serious class, and I got the impression than quite a few of you petitioned for that, than we must enforce these rulings.


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Also, you said you will assign a nation code based upon the boat owner's country of citizenship or residency. Is this going to be the preference of the sailor applying for the number? If so, that should be added to that rule.



The skipper/crew may present a preference and the class association will decide wether to follow the preference or not. I don't really see a need to comment on this directly in the rules.


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Also, if participating in an international event, the country code has to be based upon the country that person is representing in the event.



Only if that representation has any meaning. Till we have 100 boats or more on the line we will not enforce a qualifying structure based on nations and everybody that wants to participate can come and do so. I don't see us achieve these numbers within the next years and so anybody may choose to represent any nation they feel comfortable with as long as their residence or nationality is in agreement.

I think this is point where "we will cross that bridge when we come to it"


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Right now, for instance, Robi might request and be given a country code of PUR, even though he is only racing in the United States. But if he is still in the United States when the F16's start having international competitions, and if he wants to represent the United States, he will have to replace the PUR with USA. Right?


That is correct. But only if these events are structured on nation representation; meaning that we allow only a certain amount of participants frome each nation or something. However that is very far off now and if ever we need to change this than replacing a few stickers by other ones is easily and quickly done.


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Also not clear to me: If national F16 Class associations are formed in various countries, will numbers within those countries be assigned by the national class association, or will the numbers continue to be assigned by the F16 International Class Authority ad infinitum?



The international body will have the final say and their administration will take precedence but that don't mean that the national organisations handle the assignment of identifiers. The national organisations can well act as a intermediate and assign identifiers in predetermined ranges.

For example I envision the US association to have the power to assign "USA XXX" Codes to new members after clearing it with the international body; But they can't assign PUR XXX numbers for example. The international body will publize the identifiers allready given out so that each national body knows which numbers have been given our and which are still free.

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Wouter,

About the "simplification" of the Mainsail and Jib rule: If it were just a simplification, no problem. But it isn't..

Your proposal allows more sail area then with the current rules. The mainsail can be 15 m^2, whereas the old one had to be 14.85^2. (both with 8m luff length.)
The jib can be 3,7 ^m, whereas the old one had to be 3.65 ^m. (both with a 5.5m luff length.)
I am comparing your own examples on the F16 website.
You can't ignore these changes, almost all the current F16 sails would would be smaller than the new rule allows.

Besides, it would also change the rating; Both ISAF and TEXEL would rate the F16 1 point faster. I think we have already a hard time competing against the F18, this makes it even worse.

For me there is no real reason to change the current rule. You need a calculator anyway to know your "rated" sail area, or use the on-line calculater on the f16 website.

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I thought a little while about how to answer your points. Wether I should wait and see how the others would react or not. Wether I should explain things fully or just give an alternative view and see what the following discussion produces.

I think I will choose to present an alternative view and see how the others react.

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About the "simplification" of the Mainsail and Jib rule: If it were just a simplification, no problem. But it isn't..


In this post I will try to explain why I personally regard it to be a simplification rather than something else.

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Your proposal allows more sail area then with the current rules. The mainsail can be 15 m^2, whereas the old one had to be 14.85^2. (both with 8m luff length.)


Sure even 1 sq. inch can be regarded as to much more than the current setup but that is not the point. The true criterium should be wether the difference is in any way significant. While you are theoretically correct in what you say I will support my claim by showing how small the net effect is.

Also it must be realized that the values and structure are independent. We can just change the 15 into 14.85 and so on and come back at exactly the same situation as the current rules. So what are we really talking about is the true performance different between :


Exact interpolation (exact simplification) :

Mast & mainsail area = 14.85 sq. mtr. - 1.16279 * (mainsail luff length - 7.999 mtr.)
Jib area = 3.649 sq. mtr. - 0.082 * (jib projected luff - 5.50 mtr)


Proposed simplication (rounded numbers)

Mast & mainsail area = 15 sq. mtr. - 1.15 * (mainsail luff length - 8 mtr.)
Jib area max 3.7 sq. mtr.


Ofcourse I could not round anything downward as that could make former compliant sails uncompliant after the simplification so I round all upward with the exception of the factor 1.16279 But that is because of rounding up 14.85. Thus the factor was freed and could be rounded either way. 1.15 was easiest and closest, so ... Although 1.2 is also still a candidate. Actually 1.2 appears to be a better number than 1.15 in the simulations. It is more balanced around 15x8 and has a flatter dependency. Anyway let me stop here before I do a Wouter on you guys.



Clearly the second set has a more inviting look and feel and calcs can even be done by head in the second case. So I would venture that teh second setup wins points in this respect. This leaves the inequality that may be caused as the deciding factor and so the remainder of this post will deal with that.

So what is the difference or if you will the error/inequality ?


So lets look at the difference between 14.85 and 15 sq. mtr.

When we punch in ONLY this difference than the Texel rating changes by 0.26 points or 0.26 * 36 = 9.36 second per hour racing.

So maybe the difference from 14.85 to 15 sq.mtr appears big in fact it is only projected to make a 9.36 second difference per hour bouy racing when all other things like crew skills and wind along the course, tacks etc are perfectly equal.

I venture that this is to small a difference to decide to use numbers with 2 and 4 decimals in the F16 class rules. It is to small a difference to decide against the simplification with rounded numbers.

If the difference had been a minute or more than yes it would have been unacceptable but 9 seconds ... ? I move to declare that neglectable.



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The jib can be 3,7 ^m, whereas the old one had to be 3.65 ^m. (both with a 5.5m luff length.)

I am comparing your own examples on the F16 website.
You can't ignore these changes, almost all the current F16 sails would would be smaller than the new rule allows.



True. The difference in area is equal to adding 9 mm (about 1/3rd inch) to the leech of the jib.

But more importantly. the jibs on F16's with superwing masts now appear to have 5.2 to 5.3 mtr projected luffs that allow 3.67 and 3.66 sq. mtr. jibs. So we would risk banning these jibs if we decided on 3.65 in the rule over 3.7 sq. mtr. In such a case we would have to ban all jibs that are not 5.5 mtr long in the projected luff right now; which is probably the majority at this current time.

Also the 0.082 dependency is FAR to small to matter. The 0.05 sq. mtr. difference between a 4.9 mtr luffed jib of 3.70 sq. mtr. and a 5.5 mtr luff jib of 3.649 sq. mtr. is just to small to matter in any significant way. If we compare the two in the Texel handicap system than this difference results in a 0.12 point drop in the rating OR 0.12 * 36 = 4.32 second difference per hour racing.

Therefor "max 3.7 sq. mtr." felt like a simply and safe boundery without any significant drawbacks.

So I'm neither ignoring the differences nor am I unaware of the differences. Again, I do not claim that the numbers are perfectly equal just that the difference is just neglectable (or that other word I can't remember how to spell).


I repeat for clearity ; the (small) increase in jib area is equal to a 4.32 sec speed increase per hour of bouy racing (according to Texel system).

I wish to put forward that this is too small a change abandon the jib rule simplification.



So if we look at the combined result than we see that the simplification results in 9.36 + 4.32 = 13.68 seconds = less than 14 seconds per hour bouy racing increase in speed.

So yes, you are right the simplification allows slighly bigger sails but the increase is so small that it performance boost is less than 14 second per hour racing. I claim this to be too small to matter. I'll claim that 14 seconds/hour is a very acceptable price to pay for a significant simplification of the F16 rules.




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Besides, it would also change the rating; Both ISAF and TEXEL would rate the F16 1 point faster. I think we have already a hard time competing against the F18, this makes it even worse.



Geert you omit the fact that the F16 rating under Texel system dropped from 102 (=F18) over the past years to 103 with the introduction of Texel version 2005. So yes with the simplification the F16 Texel rating will become 1 point faster but only with respect to the new 103 Texel 2005 rating (several weeks old). Not with respect to the Texel rating we had for the last couple of years. The end result therefor is that the F16 rating will stay at the F18 rating of 102 as it always has been since late 2001.

So the NET result is a continuation of the situation of the past 4 years. So in this respect nothing changes.



I also would like to comment specifically on the claim that "we" already have a hard time competing against the F18's. I hear this comment more often but I think it is totally false to blame the boats for this. The skill in the F18 class is just very high and our own skill is just way below that. We are discussing here a rounded off Texel system swing of 36 second per hour while both you and me are getting beaten by the first F18's by 15 minutes per hour racing and more. We can't even correct out ahead if we would use the Hobie 16 without a spi rating (=117)! So don't blame the boat or the ratings; lets blame ourselfs. We, as crews are simply no where near good enough. Even to such an extend that those 36 second per hour won't make any difference what so ever. We are still 864 second per hour (= factor 24 !) away from sailing at the boats full potential. In laymans terms ; If we were sailing on F18's ourselfs we would be at exactly the same rear guard places as with our F16's. And sailors like Matt and Gary seems to be very capable of hanging level with F18's and sometimes even I-20's. It is us Geert, we need to get our act together.


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For me there is no real reason to change the current rule.



I'm sorry but while your stance is fully understable as a consumer and participant it does not not carry more weight than the requests by sailmakers and the efforts of our competition to make us look complicated.

The simplication is an answer on the request of three different (professional) parties and several private owners who mentioned that they felt the sail area rule was too complex and confusing.

I admit that like you I have no problems understanding formulae and using calculators but I do understand that other persons may have a different perspective.


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You need a calculator anyway to know your "rated" sail area, or use the on-line calculater on the f16 website.



That is not true. The concept of rated sailarea has been completely removed from the proposed rules, therefor no rated sailarea calculation is necessary. Also in the proposed setup all calcs can now be performed from the head or using a pen and paper. This was a major component of the simplification.

And of course in addition the F16 rating is placed back at the F18 rating were it has been since 2001 and were it belongs.

Wouter


P.S. I can tell you that Bard and I finish, what felt, close behind an F18 which we had been neck to neck for the whole race and we when checked the results it turned out that even the small time between us was more than our 103 (texel 2005) rating could correct out over. You won't believe how close you need to be to the guy in front of you to be able to correct out over him with just 1 rating point difference.



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Thank you Wouter - 4.2.4. on nation codes does address the concern I raised.

A few other small things...

Since the ISAF rules referred to in 4.2.6 require sail numbers on both a mainsail and spinnaker, is it your intention that the F16 rules also be interpreted as requiring numbering of a spinnaker, or should 4.2.6 be modified to refer specifically to the ISAF rule with respect to the mainsail only?

Also, I'm not clear on the rationale for including 4.2.8 in addition to 4.2.6. I understand that the former is compatible with ISAF, but don't understand why you would want to be even more prescriptive than the ISAF by including the latter.

I notice that you have not made any mention of the F16 identifier at the bottom near the leech that was in the earlier proposal. Do you still have any preference on this? I'm guessing that the reason for explicitly expressing the preference regarding the insignia at the top is because it relates to an issue specifically contained in the ISAF rules.

It did initially seem a little odd to me that you would require an F16 to carry a number that is explicitly assigned by the class, but not require it to actually identify itself as an F16. However, I am guessing that this may be to make life easier for say a Taipan sailor, who might sometimes sail F16 and sometimes standard Taipan without having to change sail markings.

BTW, I notice that the ISAF rule does actually require a class insignia above the nation code. Even if you are not going to require an F16 insignia (maybe for the reason above), if you wanted to maintain consistency with the ISAF you could perhaps require a class insignia, but allow this to be either an F16 insignia or a design sub-class insignia, i.e. must have either, rather than may have either.

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but just want to make sure that you had noted the difference between the rule as written and the ISAF rule.

Mark.

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If there is no firm view on spinnaker numbering, I'd just like to throw in my penn'orth for no numbers on spinnakers.

With regard to F16 insignia, would it really matter if a Taipan or similar raced OD with the F16 lower leech insignia? I can't see that it contravenes ISAF as written.


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I'm not hot on numbers in the spi as well, so I'll look into this and try to only have numbers in the mainsail.

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With regard to F16 insignia, would it really matter if a Taipan or similar raced OD with the F16 lower leech insignia? I can't see that it contravenes ISAF as written.



These OD sailors can be funny folk. It may be politically smart to not enforce such insignia just yet. I will look into this as well.

Wouter


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