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Generating lift from spinnakers?? #4926
12/21/01 07:47 PM
12/21/01 07:47 PM
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It is my understanding that spinnakers can be designed to provide lift as well as propulsion. I presume that the lift component would have to actually be larger than the forward thrust component to actually "lift" the bows, since a propulsion vector above the CR actually induces a "depression" force on the bows. So how does one design a spinnaker (or reacher??) to actually provide this component? To my simple mind it seems it would have to have a "wing" type shape vertically as well as laterally to provide both- So a large "shoulder" would be necessary or??



TIA!



Kirt


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Re: Generating lift from spinnakers?? [Re: Kirt] #4927
12/22/01 05:02 AM
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A little data can be found here.



http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/aero.htm



A full (non straight vertical) head would be a good way to start.



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Re: Generating lift from spinnakers?? [Re: Kirt] #4928
12/22/01 07:39 AM
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Kirt,

I'm told a kite with a full head provides more lift.

I'm also told that one of the objectives when designing a kite is getting the right balance between llift and drive.

A kite that provides a lot of lift can also be very slow.

A kite that provides a lot of drive, is fast, but only when your not swimming. They tend to catch the backs of waves and also stop fast.



Right or wrong, I always consider the lift generated by any single point on a sail to be perpendicular to the surface.

Then I just look at the surface. I think this contributes to spinnakers with long luffs being faster than spinnakers with shorter luffs but more actual area. The lift created along the luff has more of a forward vector while the lift back towards the leach has very little forward vector.



A jib does not provide much in the way of lift but my hooter even though it is like a huge jib does in fact provide lift.

A lot more lift than I would of expected.

It doesn't have a full head but then the long pole puts it at such an angle that if the lift is perpendicular to the surface at least along the luff there is a bigger vertical vector component than my jib.



So what about the full head? It has a lot of sail facing the sky and therefore has a large vertical lift component.



My veiw is very simplistic but it does seems to hold true with the situations I've bothered to consider.



Regards,

Phill


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