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#51486 06/21/05 06:02 PM 06/21/05 06:02 PM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC Tornado
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | Driving lower usually loses to sailing higher/faster since the VMG is better with the latter method. Also, I have been in situations where I was resigned to making 2 more gybes to make a mark rounding, and so stayed at a fast angle. As the wind piped up, we got a great improvement in apparent wind angle as the boat sped up. This let us head off to a much lower angle to the true wind than we otherwise would have been able to by just soaking ("pinching") down to start with. Suddenly, we were able to make the mark without the extra gybes and actually passed a leading boat doing the low & slow thing by several lengths. Mike.
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#51487 06/21/05 06:34 PM 06/21/05 06:34 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | The Wave is the only boat that I have seen the low and slow work on with any consistency, but it sails more like a dighy than most catamarans. Oh, except for excruciatingly light air. I've been told in the drifters, always point right at the mark, no matter what boat you're on.
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#51488 06/21/05 07:00 PM 06/21/05 07:00 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Assuming you have a narrow channel to sail in, you are going downwind,and one side is favored (one short tack and one long.) is it ok and under what conditions to sail deeper and slower than you might want, so as to not have to jibe lots. Would you power the rig to sail lower? or just bite the bullet and short jibe. That's a tough call and it's not something you normally do (sail downwind in a narrow channel). The only time I've had to do it is going through the mangrove channels of the Key Largo Steeplechase. I have done both, long deep jibes and normal angles with a lot of short jibes. I felt the long deep jibes worked better. But, keep in mind we were in a mangrove channel where the wind was quite swirley (sp) and we could paddle. If we couldn't paddle then sailing normal angles might have had the edge. First in foremost in these situations I get to the pressure and get out of an opposing current, it always seems like there is an opposing current. Again, I only find myself in that situation once a year. Wish I had a more definitive answer. Dave
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#51490 06/22/05 04:06 AM 06/22/05 04:06 AM |
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway Rolf_Nilsen
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | I would say it depends on a lot of things. *If we are racing, it's head on full blast and jibe every 15-20 seconds if neccesary. We would need some decent wind tough, if the wind is weak, it might be faster to go deep. *If we are just out cruising, we would probably sheet out and go low and slow if the channel isn't to long. *If it's a very narrow channel, we would probably take it easy and not risk getting to close to shore/rocks etc. So, "it depends", but generally I like to be powered up and go somewhere fast (no matter _where_ we are going ). | | |
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