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Great Bay race 2005 Results #51725
06/26/05 01:12 PM
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Final race results for the Great Bay Race below. There were slight changes in the fiishes after adjusting one of the ratings.

Spinnaker High DPN - Tom Turlington beat out Kevin Smith for first.

Brian Lambert took first overall for entire spinnaker class.

Complete results attached.



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Re: Great Bay race 2005 Results [Re: Cookie Monster] #51726
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Race details with start / completed / corrected times.

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Don Cook ARC22 #2226 ADRENALIN
Re: Great Bay race 2005 Results [Re: Cookie Monster] #51727
06/28/05 03:47 PM
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For those of you with interest, I did some calculations for the fun of it just to see how performances among the top boats compared. The spinnaker boats sailed a total rhumbline distance of 28.5 miles, the non-spinnaker boats sailed a total rhumbline distance of 26.5 miles. If you divide the rhumbline distance by elapsed time, you can get an idea of VMG for the race:

Spinnaker Boats

Lambert - CFR20 10.72 mph
Smith - H20 9.66 mph
Wilson - H20 9.46 mph
Kelly - SC22 10.45 mph
Turlington - I17R 9.33 mph

Non-spinnaker boats

Hodges - A-Class 9.99 mph
Humphries - H-20 9.44 mph
Sneed - A-Class 9.45 mph

Only the spinnaker boats were eligible for the overall since they sailed the longer course. But since the difference was only 2 miles, I thought it would be interesting to use the VMG of the non-spinnaker boats and estimate their elapsed time and corrected time if they had sailed the longer course. This is what I got:

Hodges - A-Class 4:24:09 corrected
Humphries - H-20 4:38:41 corrected
Sneed - A-Class 4:39:15 corrected

These corrected times as compared to the top four spinnaker boats:

Lambert - 4:32:57
Turlington - 4:42:40
Smith - 4:43:34
Kelly - 4:48:33

I think if they sail the same course next year, let everyone sail the same distance and see who wins the whole enchilada!

Re: Great Bay race 2005 Results [Re: Acat230] #51728
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One last item in the comparison above. This was a steeplechase format racing around permanent marks located in Choctawhatchee Bay in 10-15 knots of wind. The spinnaker boats probably got to use their chutes for 25% - 30% of the rhumbline distance of the race. It would be interesting to see how close it would have been if the actual utilization of the chutes would have been closer to 50%. This at least leads me to believe that the modifiers for spinnakers in the Portsmouth ratings are in the ballpark.

Fun stuff.

Re: Great Bay race 2005 Results [Re: Acat230] #51729
06/28/05 05:43 PM
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Yeah - but we need to get out of this habit of thinking we can score spinnaker and non-spinnaker boats together in a distance race. It will never work out fairly because 50% spinnaker use (on which the rating is based) will hardly ever happen.


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Re: Great Bay race 2005 Results [Re: Jake] #51730
06/28/05 07:57 PM
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Yeah - but we need to get out of this habit of thinking we can score spinnaker and non-spinnaker boats together in a distance race. It will never work out fairly because 50% spinnaker use (on which the rating is based) will hardly ever happen.


Yep! Keep em seperate! DPN is a POS and to put vastly dissimilar boats in the same group is pointless. IMO spin and non-spin are vastly dissimilar.

For every data point you can show me they are in the ballpark I can show 2 where they aren't even close.

If you want to run with the spin class put one on your 'A'. Brett Moss did it and is beating the living [censored] out of us down here.

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