Isotope racing with F16s same as the Mosquitos being raced with F16s. No chance of beating the Taipan, Blade and Stealth over the line. Plus the Mosquito weighs less than the prescribed F16 weight.

Case of "number boosting" I think

Troll

Actually mosquito's did beat true F16's and Taipans over the line several times, so that is not it. You'll be suprised how quick that oldie still is. And the Mosquito sailors themselfs requested to be part of the F16 class structure. We are happy to include them as we have a policy of inclusiveness as long as everybody races first in wins and doesn't have a rating faster then 102 under Texel.

Under the same rules the Isotope sailors themselfs requested to start with us and race us "first in wins" at Springfever 2002. They fully accepted any disadvantage that we Taipan sailors felt was present. So in effect they made themselfs part of the F16 fleet when they could have chosen to sail as Isotopes of an Isotope rating.

One can only admire such a "don't whine, lets do it" attitude.

Very much so in the case of the mosquito sailors as well, who on disadvantaged boats, are darn difficult to beat on "first in wins". That is a true show of skill. It is alot more heart warming then bitching about having your own start with less boats than I have fingers on one hand.

Not a greatness of character that we can expect any time soon of you guys, I guess.

They raced as part of the F16 fleet (scoring) and therefor count as part of the F16 fleet.

Besides aren't we making alot of fuss about 2 Isotopes and thus TOTALLY ignoring the 5 Taipans that were present ? Maybe you want to discount the Taipan sailed by Bill and me as well as I'm not a US sailor. Lets see what else we can find to lower the F16 numbers so it has less boats on the water than some other classes.

And then you are accusing me of selective reading.

This is actually all quite funny.

I remember how for years Sam used to claim that my Typhoon F16 was just smoke and mirrors of a deranged man. Now it pops up regulary in race results. And it sure as hell places alot higher in the results than Sam and his boat.

I'm already enjoying myself with the thought that sure enough in the future Sam will once again look like the "end-of-times" preacher on the corner of the street. He must truly be a masochist or ....

Wouter

Actually that is the way a Formula setup works. It limits a boats maximum performance by ruling on certain features. It does not force a minimum performance upon boats.

You can bring an underpowered, non-spinnaker and overweight boat to the F18 championships and race it first in wins (e.q. as an F18) with other F18's !

It all comes down whether, as the owner of such a boat, you would want to do such a thing. Apparently the Isotope sailors did just want such a thing at springfever 2002.

THAT is the way a formula class works. Nothing misleading about that

Wouter

Anonymoustroll - why on earth would we (or anyone) be interested in or take seriously the view(s) of someone who doesn't even have the [email]b@lls[/email] to post their name or ID?

Many boards will not allow anonymous posting and I believe that if you aren't prepared to be identified with your opinion then it is no opinion at all.

Stand up and identify yourself, explain the background to your view and become part of legitimate debate! Otherwise, just crawl back under your stone....

Has got to be an Anarchist..... Where being anonymous is the norm ....

Best bloody sailing site on the net where nearly ANYTHING goes and bull$hit is called bull$hit in the most non descreat ways

Where the statas quo blows

Hi all,

this thread was doing OK with reasonable arguments, don't let it degenerate.

On the matter of Mosquito's racing F16 as the accuser was not identified, we will assume that he lives outside of OZ and South Africa so has never seen a Mossie, never mind have any knowledge of how they fit in to cat racing fleets. But I have sailed them and can state categoricaly that they are a competitive boat with a spinnaker in almost any cat fleet. Just ask the A cat, F18 and even Tornado sailors that I have shown my transoms too, never mind the Taipans.

In fact here is a challenge for Mr. Anonymous I will be happy to race you on any 16' cat any time against a Mosquito.

Of course then we would find out if you are in a position to comment on any class other than your own if you have one.

How about we just stick to commenting abot what we know, I for one often avoid commenting on things I see written on this Forum, as I don't know all the classes in other countries. Or how they sail at Regattas.

Regards Gary.

Hi Gary,

I too would rather not comment if a thread referenced something that I was not familiar with. Instead I might ask a question?

I have no intention of causing a 'discussion' to degenerate into an unproductive slanging match, but I strongly believe that we should be entitled to know with whom we are debating? What their background knowledge and experience is and the basis for their view. How else can a reader of a thread form an opinion as to the value of the post?

Is the poster biased/obsessive/vindictive? Are they well informed/knowledgeable or experienced with the topic? Could they just be plain mad or stupid?

My own views do not always accord with other people on this forum, but I'm prepared to read people's views and be convinced or otherwise. We are all interested in catsailing and (I assume) furthering the cause of catsailing wherever in the world we happen to be. Name calling and its associated negative practices do nothing to convince anyone that catsailing is for them, enthusing about particular boats/regattas/results etc can and does.

Hi Twicebitten,

Is your F-16 (in your Avtar) the cut down A Class with spinnaker. If so please post a bigger pic.

Cheers

Stephen,

I'm sure Gary has most pictures himself, but if he hasn't then I think I got over 50 pictures of Altered at various building stages and and a score of events.

If you want to do a detailed study then I think I can help you out.

Wouter

We do not allow Anon Posters on this Open Forum. That particular poster uses that name as his User Name, and is fully responsible for his posts and can be traced easily.
Rick

With respect Rick, that user clearly doesn't want to be identified as a quick check of the User List will verify. No information at all - not even a location.

In addition his/her? choice of name is clearly provocative as is the signature. I would surmise that this all indicates his/her true intentions. (none of them positive)

Hey Rick, maybe you can answer the question. I did'nt realize that the cost of the two Taipans was so involved.No wonder it takes years to develop a class these days! Thanks for the try Robi.. thanks Bob G.

John,

I help to look after another website Forum that uses the same software as this one does, Rick will know this person's IP address and will also know a few details of the "person" including an e-mail address; I know it is not much; but this person can be traced.

An e-mail adress can be had for free an totally anonymous at various hostings. Hell, you could just log into Hotmail and create an account under a weird name within 2 minutes. Try and trace that !

Than if one is careful enough to use a provider with DHCP IP adress assigning then not even that can be used to pinpoint a given user. Only his broad location. Sort of like the user is somebody in North Carolina. Not sufficient to stand up in court, I say.

One can just as well map lunar brightness to geographical location and get the same broad result. HOWWWWLLLLL !!! (F16 insider joke)

Wouter

NM

It felt like I was in the old forum there for a second!

Don't worry, we're safe!

Robi,
Those look like Flyer rudder head on your boat. Are they?

Did the Proctor spreaders come standard?


Looks nice, I like it.
Bill

I just hope it isn't SAM logged in with a different email address and name? I for one couldn't handle him as a "co joined" clone.

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,

I got to tell some of you to take your negative attitudes and shove' em were the sun don't shine. Some of you are so DAMM petty. This place is starting to sound like a friking soap. Your a bunch of girls. Take some Motrin. Get a life!

Why don't you go sailing and try and have some fun.

Here's an idea,PM each other so you don't make us all look like morons.

I don't care how many F16's there are in the world just as long as those people are happy and sailing.

This site is here to promote a fine sport and recreation.