| extended my mast 3', should I extend my jib luff #54236 08/01/05 05:56 PM 08/01/05 05:56 PM |
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Posts: 5 | Hi, I added a 3' comp tip section onto my Cheshire Cat mast to accomodate a larger mainsail. My question is, should I move my jib,stay attachment higher up also on the mast? Right now, the mainsail dimensions are: luff-23' foot 7.5', and the jib dimensions are: luff 17.5' foot 5'. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! | | | Re: extended my mast 3', should I extend my jib lu
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#54241 08/04/05 08:43 PM 08/04/05 08:43 PM |
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,012 South Australia Darryl_Barrett
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Posts: 1,012 South Australia | The jib, on a rotating mast is usually attached, on the mast, at the same location as the hounds, and if you were to attach a new jib higher than that you should really raise the position of the hounds accordingly to give the correct support to the mast. If you start playing around by attaching a "working" jib above the hounds you can get into all sorts of mast bend problems. If you raise the hound position you are left with all sorts of ugly holes in the mast from it's original position which can weaken the mast in a very suspect load point, as well as having to replace all your rigging. By putting on a "taller" jib and keeping the foot length the same you would only be gaining a very minute extra area at the smallest part of the sail and I don' think that you would even notice any performance difference (and potentially if it wasn't all converted correctly, there could be an actual drop in control and performance). Adding to the mainsail area is an entirely different (and easier) situation where there should be a marked improvement in power (particularly more so from its height, and higher aspect ratio than from the extra area) | | | Re: extended my mast 3', should I extend my jib lu
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#54242 08/04/05 09:02 PM 08/04/05 09:02 PM |
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,012 South Australia Darryl_Barrett
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Posts: 1,012 South Australia | The hound position depends entirely on the strength of the mast, its bend characteristics, and to a lesser degree, the cut of the mainsail (although a sail is generally cut to suit the mast rather than vice versa). There are all sorts of hound position ratios i.e. 3/4, 7/8 even 2/3, and all percentages in between. The best hound point is set where it fully supports the mast the best taking into consideration how you want the mast to perform and bend with out "S" bending and/or breaking under unacceptable low loadings. If the sail works better when the head twists off early or needs to shed load early due to it being "over powered” for the cat, or the crew is very light, (among other reasons) then the hounds can be positioned lower to allow more bend above the hounds. The reverse IE higher hounds, if the mast is required to stand up straighter under greater loads. There are also other concerns as well IE does the mast have diamonds or not, if it does, how long are the spreaders, and are they raked backwards and if so how much rake, and what tension is on them etc. These are just a few considerations to be taken into account when positioning the hound position on a mast. | | | Re: extended my mast 3', should I extend my jib lu
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#54243 08/05/05 10:10 AM 08/05/05 10:10 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Bart, Why don't you ask Frank Meldau, the designer and manufacturer of the Cheshire Cat? Website is http://www.intl-fiberglass.com/boats.htmlWhat I do know is that there is some reason why sailors go to a lot of trouble to get the tack of their jib down as low as possible, so you probably do not want to mount your current jib higher. Also, with a sloop rig the main and jib have to be designed as a "team." The draft on a sloop main is graduated progressively farther aft down the sail to accommodate the overlap (or slot effect) of the jib it was designed with. So if you just arbitrarily decide to put a taller jib on the boat, the draft on the main might not be correct at that height, which would totally screw up the air flow over the main. I'm sure the engineers and sail designers will correct me if I am wrong. | | |
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