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North-West Europe | Forget :"Formula 40 and Volvo Extreme", first didn't survive and the second will not survive. Boats are too big too cumbersome and to few in the racing fleet to make things really interesting.
Go with smaller beach cats and focus entirely on the coverage and the race report enhancements like VS-like overlays showing progress, wind, currents, current position on course, etc
Make your strong point out of your weak point. Sailing is sport for real men and women. You'll need to be fit, smart and a teamplayer to win at this game. It has got it all. The unpredictiveness of the meteological conditions is a receipy for drama's. You're not a winner untill you have indeed reached the line first. What more does an audience want.
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South Carolina | On one hand I tend to agree with you Darryl. However, I think pulling back sailing from such a mainstream event could be bad overall for the exposure of the sport. Here in the states, sailing is not terribly popular to begin with so I'm not surprised when it gets minimal coverage. I do, however, tune into the BBC occasionally to hear about something about sailing coming out of Britain. Britain did quite well at the last Olympics in sailing and I would be interested to hear what kind of exposure Olympic Sailing received there...anyway, my point is, if it gets some coverage it goes much more to the mainstream media if it's part of the formal Olympic Games. If we seclude it, it will get much less mainstream publicity....Is there really a Water Skiing Olympics? (seriously?).
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| Yup, No Insurance . That's what most of us do anyway here on this beach, hell I do not think most of the trailers even have a liscence tag on them . If you are going to crash your boat into somone then you will have to be on your honor and be held accountable for the damage that you "Accidently Cause" of course.Word gets around if you are otherwise.................a poor sport. Scooby I think if the racing became more on the edge and especially newbie friendly you might get more of the older boats out on the course that change there rigging every few years or more and are'nt so persnikity on the upkeep ( Oh wait a minute that's me!).There would be a mix of boats,there would be boats barely alive.The only way to go through a part or a boat for that matter is to use them. Hopefully I will use up the boats I have and maybe then if I have learned enough to be more consistant on the water would I buy a new boat. Until that time I'll slug it out with what I have. I guess if you start young in this sport/activety you are more likely to go through 2nd and 3rd hand boat stages earlier and then you settle for nothing less than new should you stay in the sport...................Next years Dragrace I think we are going to set a mark in the deep area in front of the shoreline that the current carves out so you've got to go through wave sets for the crowd.  You are joking. If people cannot get insurance, they will not race. If boats are getting crashed people will not get insurance. People will not travel 1000's of miles and spend 10,000's of GBP / USD or what ever to just turn up with some shed boats. People will still want to bring top kit (juust 5 - 10 times as much) to the Olly regatta. Would you take your new boat out sailing if there was 1 in 10 chance of it being written off ? I would not. Who is going to pay for this expensive (boat breaking) sailing. Not the IOC. | | | Re: Should Sailing be Yanked from the Olympics?
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South Carolina | Yup, No Insurance . That's what most of us do anyway here on this beach... Will somebody please remind me of this next time I consider doing the Delray Drag race?
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Lake Murray, SC,USA | [quote] [color:"red"] Half naked Hooter’s girls can only play . . . [/color] . . .require very little grey matter, . . . it's not like all that many racers know the rules anyway. Heck, how many actually own a rulebook? Dave [/quote Hey Ding! Do ya need Grey matter? Is that so you can read the rules? Thought that what beer was for, to numb the dehydrated sunburned mind and lubricate your joints for us over 40 guys. But I'm in on the Hooters girls. That will sure get us some publicity . . . . Cary BTW I've read the rulebook about 20 times I keep reading the damn thing, and will keep reading it until one day I can remember it all somewhere in the middle of a crowded fleet at speed trying to figure out which side of someone's chute I'm going to duck under. 
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Issaquah, WA, USA | Doug, Clear Lake sounds very similar to our Anthony's Friday night series. Races start at 7:00 PM, with five minute sequence and five starts, with the Mulihulls last. They do assign PHRF numbers to all boats, and keep actual times, and post corrected times. The Multihulls are not counted in the overall results, but are scored seperately. We have a similar fleet of boats with a turn out of 25 to 40 depending on the weather. My goal is to start in the last fleet, and finish with the top two or three boats. I did not see any multihulls in your results or photo's. Ran six of the twelve races last year. My best time was 48 minutes, 31 seconds, actual, which was two minutes faster than the second place boat, a 40ft monohull. We are trying to get more multihulls to take part. Good way to promote sailing, and multihulls.
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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Yup, No Insurance . That's what most of us do anyway here on this beach, hell I do not think most of the trailers even have a liscence tag on them . If you are going to crash your boat into somone then you will have to be on your honor and be held accountable for the damage that you "Accidently Cause" of course.Word gets around if you are otherwise.................a poor sport. Scooby I think if the racing became more on the edge and especially newbie friendly you might get more of the older boats out on the course that change there rigging every few years or more and are'nt so persnikity on the upkeep ( Oh wait a minute that's me!).There would be a mix of boats,there would be boats barely alive.The only way to go through a part or a boat for that matter is to use them. Hopefully I will use up the boats I have and maybe then if I have learned enough to be more consistant on the water would I buy a new boat. Until that time I'll slug it out with what I have. I guess if you start young in this sport/activety you are more likely to go through 2nd and 3rd hand boat stages earlier and then you settle for nothing less than new should you stay in the sport...................Next years Dragrace I think we are going to set a mark in the deep area in front of the shoreline that the current carves out so you've got to go through wave sets for the crowd. You are joking. If people cannot get insurance, they will not race. If boats are getting crashed people will not get insurance. People will not travel 1000's of miles and spend 10,000's of GBP / USD or what ever to just turn up with some shed boats. People will still want to bring top kit (juust 5 - 10 times as much) to the Olly regatta. Would you take your new boat out sailing if there was 1 in 10 chance of it being written off ? I would not. Who is going to pay for this expensive (boat breaking) sailing. Not the IOC. So you are sailing with no insurance cover at all. In the USA, are you totally mad ! If you hurt someone you are going to be liabale for there medical bills!!!!! - we must have 3rd party cover to be allowed the water here; I have to have 2m GBP cover to sail at my sailing club. Sounds insane (and very worrying to me).
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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | On one hand I tend to agree with you Darryl. However, I think pulling back sailing from such a mainstream event could be bad overall for the exposure of the sport. Here in the states, sailing is not terribly popular to begin with so I'm not surprised when it gets minimal coverage. I do, however, tune into the BBC occasionally to hear about something about sailing coming out of Britain. Britain did quite well at the last Olympics in sailing and I would be interested to hear what kind of exposure Olympic Sailing received there... Very little. Maybe a minute or so every 6 hrs as part of the (almost) 24x7 coverage; perhaps totallying 5 minutes per day at max. Medal's might just make the late news. No "sailing gold frenzy for the GB team in Athens etc TV special". Not good.
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I do sympathize with the argument that Olympic status may hold sailing back. I think the OD mentality is not really helping sailing. F1 auto racing attracts viewers to a large part because the audenience expects new gadgets and want to know what kind of secret wapon team X has. Sailing was always about advances and that is why millionairs are into the sport.
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I do sympathize with the argument that Olympic status may hold sailing back. I think the OD mentality is not really helping sailing.
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Olympics can't really hurt us. It gives the sport an air of respectability. One-Design is by nature exclusionary, and segregates classes by it's design. It is both good for giving us measuring sticks of our own ability directly compared to another sailor, & in the upper circles, restricts who may sail by the size of their wallet, or how many boats you can park in your yard. (I'm thinking Ingram must have a big yard ) Me I gotta big Dock.  Think I'm gonna have a new empty space on it soon, wish I had something other than my Hobie 16 to park on it . . .
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Asuncion, Paraguay | ...I would be interested to hear what kind of exposure Olympic Sailing received there...
...Very little. Maybe a minute or so every 6 hrs as part of the (almost) 24x7 coverage; perhaps totallying 5 minutes per day at max. Medal's might just make the late news. No "sailing gold frenzy for the GB team in Athens etc TV special". Still, direct coverage is not everything. In GB, for instance, Olympics revive the feeling that the country "rules the seas". This has political implications beyond our sport and the olympics - especially when GB rules Olympic sailing only... In Brazil sailing brings home more medals than any other sport. Sport sailing activities could even be restrained by the socialist government. Instead, due to the limited but positive visibility during the Olympic games, being "number two ruling the seas" sounded good enough for the government to suport ($$$) a Volvo Ocean Race entry lead by olympic gold medalist Torben Grael. I guess the situation is about the same in SA, NZ and Australia: sailing in the olympics has more "outside" impact and means more than what can be perceived merely counting TV minutes and newspaper space. On the other hand, the selection of equipment, format and rules for the olympics certainly need development. I expect to see faster, more exciting (and colorful) boats, more onboard and blimp-attached cameras and a constant search for the ideal spectator oriented format. But not as fast as we would like. Luiz
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| You have touched on something very important Luiz. The social aspect and community feel of a local Yacht or Dinghy club and an intimate pride that goes with having talented locals represent your community in the major events.I am not aware of any other but the closest thing to it around here I feel is Miami Yacht Club that are at least Catamaran friendly.There is no rival club in the area though that creates that excitement of us vs. them vs. some other club attitude that spreads that mind set.Many countries and (Colonies and Commomwealth's)seem to have still kept the torch lit.The best of this bunch go to the Olympics even if it may be only one representative.If Tonga has an olympic contender in the Star class then you know that sailing has just become very popular in Tonga. I imagine in other more sailing established parts of the U.S that this thought of removing sailing from the olympics would not even occur. So if it is popular and successful at the national level it will always probably a part of the olympics international level.... ...I would be interested to hear what kind of exposure Olympic Sailing received there...
...Very little. Maybe a minute or so every 6 hrs as part of the (almost) 24x7 coverage; perhaps totallying 5 minutes per day at max. Medal's might just make the late news. No "sailing gold frenzy for the GB team in Athens etc TV special". Still, direct coverage is not everything. In GB, for instance, Olympics revive the feeling that the country "rules the seas". This has political implications beyond our sport and the olympics - especially when GB rules Olympic sailing only... In Brazil sailing brings home more medals than any other sport. Sport sailing activities could even be restrained by the socialist government. Instead, due to the limited but positive visibility during the Olympic games, being "number two ruling the seas" sounded good enough for the government to suport ($$$) a Volvo Ocean Race entry lead by olympic gold medalist Torben Grael. I guess the situation is about the same in SA, NZ and Australia: sailing in the olympics has more "outside" impact and means more than what can be perceived merely counting TV minutes and newspaper space. On the other hand, the selection of equipment, format and rules for the olympics certainly need development. I expect to see faster, more exciting (and colorful) boats, more onboard and blimp-attached cameras and a constant search for the ideal spectator oriented format. But not as fast as we would like. Luiz | | | Re: Should Sailing be Yanked from the Olympics?
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St. Louis, MO, | I think that sailing neither helps or hurts the sport of sailing. The classes that are picked to be Olympic are drastically effected by the decision. I wouldn't want F18 to become an Olympic class personally. I think it would draw to much development into the F18 class for my taste. As if there isn't enough of that already. There is the positive that Sailing does get a very small amount of press during the Olympics. I also think that it develops some of the best sailors in the world. I think some of these people would lose interest if they couldn't work toward an Olympic medal. It definitely helps bring some sponsorship into sailing. I don't really see the negatives for having sailing in the Olympics. I think they could cover it a ton better if they put their minds to it. Mike Hill www.stlouiscats.com
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South Carolina | Then I guess you won't be doing much racing down in this state next year. I have insurance we all have insurance but we pay for any damage out of pocket. When I go to MKL you are on your own that's a pretty major race. I'm sorry...When you said that most of the boats on your beach didn't have insurance, I just had visions that there were a bunch of boats on the beach that didn't have insurance. Suppose you trash my $12000 boat, or worse, injure me or my crew - are you going to pay that out of pocket? I certainly couldn't. It is irresponsible to enter a race without insurance when it is so inexpensive.
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