| Include brand names in formula class results? #65783 01/30/06 11:22 AM 01/30/06 11:22 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Do you think brand names (manufacturers) of the boats should be included in results of formula class races, like A-Class, Formula 18, Formula 16, etc.?
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#65785 01/30/06 11:55 AM 01/30/06 11:55 AM |
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | I say yes, Because this is how the manufacturers can get feedback about how thier boat is doing against the competition. This will help fuel them to build better boats while trying to stay price competitive. I bet everyone that looks at the results likes to know what boat the top finishers are on. The results are always based on the best sailor and not the brand, but I still want to know. I also don't sail any F boats.(yet)
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | I think they should include boat makes and sailmaker. Most things that are raced fit into a "box rule" Nascar,F-1,Champ Cars, Motorcycles, even skiers raise thier ski up so we know what they're using.
Face it, the people that are racing those classes know who using what so what's the deal keeping it from the rest of us?
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Posts: 371 Michigan, USA | Mary, The rules for the Formula 18 Class say:
F.5. RANKING On events sailed under F18 rules, there shall not be specific rankings according to tghe different competing brands or types.
The International A Class Rules do not seem to prohibit listing of brand names of boat or equipment.
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | From an enthusiast standpoint, I want to know as much info as possible. Factory or home build/designer, carbon or al, sail/s manufacturer, the more the merrier. Much easier for the manufacturer to know how they stack up, much harder for the prospetive owner to find out. Compared to other sports, info is more difficult to come by. Excellent idea
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Posts: 744 | YES. I would like to know what hull/make won and when sailing true F18(not Nacra or Hobie class), which sailmaker was matched to the boat.
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Posts: 833 St. Louis, MO, | Mary, The rules for the Formula 18 Class say:
F.5. RANKING On events sailed under F18 rules, there shall not be specific rankings according to tghe different competing brands or types.
The International A Class Rules do not seem to prohibit listing of brand names of boat or equipment. I read this differently than you. I read it that the organizer can't seperate the F18's into fleets or give out One-design trophies within the F18 class. I don't believe that it is prohibited from listing the type of boat in the results. I would also like to see the boat type and sailmaker in the results. Being stuck in the Midwest I'm really insulated from being able to see what's going on in the rest of the world. It would certainly be helpful to others that don't get a chance to compete in mixed fleets more than once a year. Mike Hill www.stlouiscats.com
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Mary, The rules for the Formula 18 Class say:
F.5. RANKING On events sailed under F18 rules, there shall not be specific rankings according to tghe different competing brands or types. I haven't read the rules but looking at this I don't see where including brand-sail maker with each result is breaking that rule. Seems like that rule would pertain to something like a manufactures ranking, similar to Nascar where you have drivers points and manufacturer points. You simply don't keep a official count or recognize a particular brand.
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Posts: 695 Ft. Pierce, Fl. USA | Absolutely, the brand name of the boat is of great concern. If one is contemplating purchase of a new boat, it will be of considerable interest. While most everyone will agree that the sailor is the biggest factor in the equation, the boat/sails are right behind in the number 2 slot.
Put all the cards on the table. Let the potential boat buyers come to their own conclusion on whether or not a particular boat won on its design merits, or the extraordinary talent of a “hired gun rock star”.
The more information that is available, the better it is for an informed purchase decision. While a few teams might be able to win sailing a barn door/broom stick/bed sheet, the stats of all boats, by all teams, will give an indication if a given boat is a strong or weak design within a given Formula Class. Remember this is not one design and there could be significant performance differences between different brands as each attempts to create the fastest boat based on their own approach within the box rules.
I question any ones motives when they try to withhold information. Let the race results speak for themselves. It is better than having our information come to us from a slick marketing department.
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I read this differently than you. I read it that the organizer can't seperate the F18's into fleets or give out One-design trophies within the F18 class.
I don't believe that it is prohibited from listing the type of boat in the results. I agree with Mike - I don't think this speaks specifically about listing brand name within the event standings. However, sometimes things get a little lost when rules are brought in from different native language speakers...as some of the F18 international rules are. It would be interesting to get the official interpretation of the rule but I suspect it would only be to not establish awards or prestige based on manufacturer within the overall event standings. i.e. it says we can't RANK sailors based on manufacturer of the boat.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Personally, I prefer to place the focus on the skipper and crew, not what boat they sailed.
It irks me when I see headlines like "[Enter any brand name boat here] Wins the [enter name of championships/worlds here]!" Then further into the article you actually get to read the names of winning team.
Tracie I also agree with Tracie on this one.
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Posts: 337 Victoria, Australia | Do you think brand names (manufacturers) of the boats should be included in results of formula class races, like A-Class, Formula 18, Formula 16, etc.?
Why or why not? Yes - mainly for interests sake. You can make an educated guess just looking at the sail numbers. I like to see how my friends & sailors that I know are going and at the same time see how the various manufacturers are too. It adds a bit more interest to the whole thing. Michael | | |
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