| Alter Cup - WOW #66325 02/09/06 01:12 AM 02/09/06 01:12 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams OP
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Seven individuals in the fleet have their name on the US Multihull Championship trophy already. This is one, tough crowd. Check it OUT!
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#66327 02/10/06 01:36 PM 02/10/06 01:36 PM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 851 US Western Continental Shelf hobiegary
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Posts: 851 US Western Continental Shelf | Matt, I got a sense of sarcasm from your comments. This reminded me of a question that has been bouncing around in my hollow head for years. I've never asked my question because it is going to sound sarcastic and I don't want to come across as sarcastic on this particular question. Not being a racer, I am clueless about much of the subject matter of many conversations that go on in the catamaran sailing community. But I would assume that the Alter Cup is named after Mr. Hobie Alter (my hero) or one of his descendants. If this is the case, then I ponder the question: How does the Hobie Alter family or the Hobiecat corporation feel about an annual race, carrying the family name, that uses boats built by competitors? That seems like it must be quite a slap in the face. But I don't know anything about racing anyhow. I must admit that I've been sailing a frenchcanadian boat in the areas where Hobie was so successful and Performance Catamarans (Prindle Nacra Inter) is now dominant and I feel pretty disloyal to my countrymen and neighbors. My entire family are Canadians, but that still does not relieve my guilt. I also must admit that I feel like a martyr and a real stooge when I need a part and find it impossible to get what I need from the manufacturer while all my local buddies can have the part they need in one day. I never knew that I could feel such thoughts from my conscience, but now I understand. Gee whisk, I am going off on a tangent here! I digress: Does anyone want to offer their thoughts on a race named after the founder of one company that is being sailed on another company's boats? Also, how would you relate this situation to the deal where Hobiecat locked all the other brands out of their races?
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#66328 02/10/06 01:43 PM 02/10/06 01:43 PM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | The perpetual trophy was presented and named the Alter Cup in 1986 in honor of Hobie Alter, Sr. and his extraordinary promotion of one-design multihull sailing and racing programs. In 2003 the event was renamed the Hobie Alter Cup. The Hobie Alter Cup has become one of the nation's major sailing championships, having featured world champions from numerous classes, Olympic medalists and several national champions from the multihull ranks.
The Multihull Championship was conceived by the Multihull Council in the spring of 1985 as a service to multihull racing sailors. It is intended to determine a U.S. national multihull champion and is sailed annually in various types of multihulls at various venues. Originally based on open Area eliminations, the committee decided to reinvigorate the championship by allocating spots to the major multihull classes in addition to the Area entries.
Source = US Sailing, hope this helps.
John H16, H14
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#66331 02/10/06 04:50 PM 02/10/06 04:50 PM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | How does the Hobie Alter family or the Hobiecat corporation feel about an annual race, carrying the family name, that uses boats built by competitors? And the flip sides are: How do participants feel about it who sail non-Hobies? And how do other manufacturers of boats feel about it when they provide boats for the event when the trophy is advertising a competing manufacturer? When the Alter Cup was first designed and named 20 years ago, most (all?) of the people on the Multihull Council were Hobie sailors. So maybe that explains it. Rick and I were Hobie sailors, too, at that time. But I was shocked when they named the trophy for Hobie Alter. Not that he is not deserving of honor and accolades for his amazing contribution to the multihull world. It is just that I did not (and still do not) think the United States Multihull Sailing Championship was(is) the appropriate venue. | | | Re: Alter Cup = Hobie?
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#66332 02/10/06 05:19 PM 02/10/06 05:19 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams OP
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I've got a lot going on today, so I'll keep this short - the trophy is named for the man, not the company. It isn't the Hobie Cat Cup. I've not heard, that I recall, any sailor at the event express disdain or discomfort at the man's name being on the trophy.
Gotta run -
John
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#66335 02/10/06 08:10 PM 02/10/06 08:10 PM |
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Posts: 5,582 “an island in the Pacifi... | You do have to admit that if Hobie hadn't gotten into catamarans that most of us, if we sailed, would be on leaners. He not only came up with a boat that was cool to sail but someone within Hobie came up with a life style defining motto, "Have a Hobie day." Pretty much like Honda with "You meet the nicest people on a Honda." US Sail Level 2 Instructor US Sail Level 3 Coach | | | Re: Alter Cup = Hobie?
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#66341 02/11/06 10:00 AM 02/11/06 10:00 AM |
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA tshan
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | It was Francie Jarvis, Gordon Isco,Jim Beddow, Gary Sander, Bill Doelger, Tony DiMaro, Hank Waite, Doug Fricke, Corky Pittsenberger, Jack Young and Dick Blanchard. A pretty comprehensive group. I haven't heard Corky's name in 10 years. What is he up to? I crewed for Jack at a 5.2 NAs in Toms River, NJ (early/mid 1980's) on a boat he borrowed the day before the regatta. I vividly remember the 40 or 50 identical, all white boats on the line (there may have been one black boat called Carbon Copy). True OD.
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#66344 02/12/06 12:02 AM 02/12/06 12:02 AM |
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Posts: 851 US Western Continental Shelf | I view Hobie Alter as a guy who already knew the surf and how ot build a coposite construction, lightweight vessel. He took aircraft quality building materials (hardened aluminum and fiberglass layup) to build a seriously strong craft that was light in weight.
For the majority of us here, he's the one who started it all.
IMHO,
GARY
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