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Alter Cup - WOW #66325
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Seven individuals in the fleet have their name on the US Multihull Championship trophy already.

This is one, tough crowd.

Check it OUT!


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Re: Alter Cup - WOW [Re: John Williams] #66326
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Counting the names on the actual trophy, which is just outside my office here at Hobie Cat, I see you have included the crew union members. The crew union very much appreciates being included in your count. I hear that Matt and Domonique are not coming, so does that actually make it 5?


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Matt,

I got a sense of sarcasm from your comments. This reminded me of a question that has been bouncing around in my hollow head for years. I've never asked my question because it is going to sound sarcastic and I don't want to come across as sarcastic on this particular question.

Not being a racer, I am clueless about much of the subject matter of many conversations that go on in the catamaran sailing community. But I would assume that the Alter Cup is named after Mr. Hobie Alter (my hero) or one of his descendants. If this is the case, then I ponder the question:
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How does the Hobie Alter family or the Hobiecat corporation feel about an annual race, carrying the family name, that uses boats built by competitors?


That seems like it must be quite a slap in the face. But I don't know anything about racing anyhow.

I must admit that I've been sailing a frenchcanadian boat in the areas where Hobie was so successful and Performance Catamarans (Prindle Nacra Inter) is now dominant and I feel pretty disloyal to my countrymen and neighbors. My entire family are Canadians, but that still does not relieve my guilt. I also must admit that I feel like a martyr and a real stooge when I need a part and find it impossible to get what I need from the manufacturer while all my local buddies can have the part they need in one day. I never knew that I could feel such thoughts from my conscience, but now I understand. Gee whisk, I am going off on a tangent here! I digress:

Does anyone want to offer their thoughts on a race named after the founder of one company that is being sailed on another company's boats? Also, how would you relate this situation to the deal where Hobiecat locked all the other brands out of their races?


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The perpetual trophy was presented and named the Alter Cup in 1986 in honor of Hobie Alter, Sr. and his extraordinary promotion of one-design multihull sailing and racing programs. In 2003 the event was renamed the Hobie Alter Cup. The Hobie Alter Cup has become one of the nation's major sailing championships, having featured world champions from numerous classes, Olympic medalists and several national champions from the multihull ranks.

The Multihull Championship was conceived by the Multihull Council in the spring of 1985 as a service to multihull racing sailors. It is intended to determine a U.S. national multihull champion and is sailed annually in various types of multihulls at various venues. Originally based on open Area eliminations, the committee decided to reinvigorate the championship by allocating spots to the major multihull classes in addition to the Area entries.

Source = US Sailing, hope this helps.


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Very well said "flatlander18"!

Hobie Cat Company and (I am quite sure) Hobie and his family are very proud that this race is named in honor of Hobie Alter.


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The first USYRU Multihull Championship for the Alter Cup was sailed on NACRA 5.7's. Since then it has been held on different models of Hobie, NACRA, Prindle and Mystere.

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How does the Hobie Alter family or the Hobiecat corporation feel about an annual race, carrying the family name, that uses boats built by competitors?


And the flip sides are: How do participants feel about it who sail non-Hobies? And how do other manufacturers of boats feel about it when they provide boats for the event when the trophy is advertising a competing manufacturer?

When the Alter Cup was first designed and named 20 years ago, most (all?) of the people on the Multihull Council were Hobie sailors. So maybe that explains it.

Rick and I were Hobie sailors, too, at that time. But I was shocked when they named the trophy for Hobie Alter. Not that he is not deserving of honor and accolades for his amazing contribution to the multihull world. It is just that I did not (and still do not) think the United States Multihull Sailing Championship was(is) the appropriate venue.

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I've got a lot going on today, so I'll keep this short - the trophy is named for the man, not the company. It isn't the Hobie Cat Cup. I've not heard, that I recall, any sailor at the event express disdain or discomfort at the man's name being on the trophy.

Gotta run -

John


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John,
Nobody said anything about disdain or discomfort.

Twenty years ago when the Multihull Council was first formed, it was a great step forward for multihulls as a completely nonpartisan body to represent ALL multihulls. So when the perpetual trophy was created for the U.S. Multihull Sailing Championship, I thought it was inappropriate for it to be named for someone who is so totally identified with one brand of multihull. It's as simple as that.

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Since Gordon Isco (Gisco) jumped into this forum I would like to mention that he is the one that made the trophy for the U.S. Multihull Championship (Alter Cup). Thank you Gordon.

Dan

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You do have to admit that if Hobie hadn't gotten into catamarans that most of us, if we sailed, would be on leaners. He not only came up with a boat that was cool to sail but someone within Hobie came up with a life style defining motto, "Have a Hobie day." Pretty much like Honda with "You meet the nicest people on a Honda."


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And dont forget Hobie makes/made surfboards also.


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You do have to admit that if Hobie hadn't gotten into catamarans that most of us, if we sailed, would be on leaners.


Right! If it weren't for Hobie Alter, most of you wouldn't be sailing at all.

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F.Y.I. regarding the make up of the original multihull group at USYRU. It was Francie Jarvis, Gordon Isco,Jim Beddow, Gary Sander, Bill Doelger, Tony DiMaro, Hank Waite, Doug Fricke, Corky Pittsenberger, Jack Young and Dick Blanchard. Not exactly a Hobie dominated committee.

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Thanks, Gordon. I was trying to remember Francie's name.

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I don't know about that..I still have my all original Phoenix catamaran dating from 1965 or somewhere in there..Phoenix is the 18' version of the Shark.. Hobie didn't invent the sport or the concept, He was just very successful at marketing it.

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It was Francie Jarvis, Gordon Isco,Jim Beddow, Gary Sander, Bill Doelger, Tony DiMaro, Hank Waite, Doug Fricke, Corky Pittsenberger, Jack Young and Dick Blanchard.


A pretty comprehensive group. I haven't heard Corky's name in 10 years. What is he up to? I crewed for Jack at a 5.2 NAs in Toms River, NJ (early/mid 1980's) on a boat he borrowed the day before the regatta. I vividly remember the 40 or 50 identical, all white boats on the line (there may have been one black boat called Carbon Copy). True OD.


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Where does Jack Sammons fit in?

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If it weren't for Hobie Alter, most of you wouldn't be sailing at all.

Agree!

GARY


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I view Hobie Alter as a guy who already knew the surf and how ot build a coposite construction, lightweight vessel. He took aircraft quality building materials (hardened aluminum and fiberglass layup) to build a seriously strong craft that was light in weight.

For the majority of us here, he's the one who started it all.

IMHO,

GARY


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