I know you were down at Gulfport Yacht Club last weekend. I didn't have my Taipan set up, but if you are wanting to sail F16 single handed let me know and come back to the club and you are welcome to take my boat out. A cat vs. f16 is one thing. Spinnaker vs. non-spinnaker. No reason to junk up an A Cat with a spinnaker. An A cat is what it is, a perfect single handed boat with no spinnaker. An F16 has pure versatility with a spinnaker. Let me know and come on down.
Seth
I may take you up on that!
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: fin.]
#67358 02/23/0610:29 AM02/23/0610:29 AM
It was just posted on the F16 forum that :"... looks like we are going to have somewhere between 6 to 8 F16's ... I have just got confirmation that Hollis Caffe is attending with his Taipan. That is 6 that I know are coming. "
The F16's will race in a mixed singlehanded/doublehanded fleet without any handicap calculations, so the order on the finish line is also the final order for the points. Just as the F16 class is intended to be raced when not part of a larger open class fleet.
I'm sure the A's will have 10 or more boats as in the previous years. Right now 6 A-cats are listed as registered. More will certainly register in the weeks to come.
It is looking to be a very enjoyable event again. Just like the former 2 times it was held.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: Wouter]
#67361 02/23/0606:40 PM02/23/0606:40 PM
Does anyone have rigging tips for the F-16 solo? On the H-17 I kept my rig noticably looser than other 17's. That resulted in very good performance to weather, but dismal downwind performance.
What are the tactics when sailing in a mixed fleet of A's and 16's?
Is there an established etiquette when sailing near A's?
In the past, I mostly just ignored boats other than my class, and kept clear air.
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Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: Wouter]
#67364 02/24/0608:06 AM02/24/0608:06 AM
standard boat (US$ 12,900) with the following upgrades :
Kevlar hulls (US$700) Pentex sails (US$325) 1:12 Internal downhaul system (US$100) Sta-Master shroud adjustment system (US$35 ) Because this upgrade is just so darn cheap.
Total; US$ 14,000
How much for 2 extra feet of hull?
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: bvining]
#67365 02/24/0608:13 AM02/24/0608:13 AM
standard boat (US$ 12,900) with the following upgrades :
Kevlar hulls (US$700) Pentex sails (US$325) 1:12 Internal downhaul system (US$100) Sta-Master shroud adjustment system (US$35 ) Because this upgrade is just so darn cheap.
Total; US$ 14,000
How much for 2 extra feet of hull?
There's one in every crowd!
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: bvining]
#67366 02/24/0608:15 AM02/24/0608:15 AM
Tad just seems to have got it into his head that you can only sail F16 if you're small. He is of the 'bigger is better' view. But we all know that it's not size that matters - it's how you use what you have!
John Alani ___________ Stealth F16s GBR527 and GBR538
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: Jalani]
#67371 02/24/0608:54 AM02/24/0608:54 AM
Size only matters when you are talking about the direct correlation between water line length and speed, or the fact that catamarans suffer more due to added weight (crew weight) and a longer water line would support added weight better. Or that longer is better in waves, especially short steep waves we most likely sail in close to shore. And lets also remember that all cats could use more bow upwind and down.
So yes size does matter. But so does weight. And right now the F16 wins because it is light. But watch out for the lightweight 20 footer than can be single and double handed, has a spin and is way faster than a F16, and can carry weight better and is better in waves than a f16 could ever hope to be.
Sorry to rain on the F16 love fest, but it's not the be all, end all and size does indeed matter.
Re: A cat vs F-16
[Re: fin.]
#67372 02/24/0609:08 AM02/24/0609:08 AM
Is there an established etiquette when sailing near A's?
Etiquette: As in: Protocol or Manners
Since I sail with crew, Protocol dictates that I have the crew go into distraction mode with the A sailor, especially if it is Lucky Duck. Like: Oh look an Eagle, or how was your day honey, or hey your chutes dragging in the water. As for the manners side of this, well perhaps our manners would apply if we were ever a lap ahead, however this has not been my experience to date. Maybe this season we'll get the chance to be a lap ahead and will show some restraint. FEAR the Duck!
Hmmm, I thinking that throwing a beer to the A sailor might help.