Wouter,



Actually, Nacra was asked if they would provide A2's for Alter Cup, but the $5000 offered is no where near the cost, considering the market for used A2's (I know, because mine was purchased used). When you look at all the A-Cat manufacturers, I think that the Alter Cup had the best chance with Nacra, but maybe you could ask Vectorwerks, since you seem to be closely tied with them, if they are interested is supplying the Bim XJ. I think Jake would jump at the chance to have the XJ as an Alter Cup boat. What do you think, Jake? Would you be interested in having XJ's for your next Alter Cup?

Or a better question might be, How many of you out there would be willing to pay List price minus $500 for a nearly new A-Class that was only used at Alter Cup? Of course, these boats would not have the rig and sail customized for you, but you would save $500 and be able to pick it up at the Alter Cup site, fully assembled.

I didnt start the midget thing Pete.

Wouter, I agree, lets drop this current thread

12 new boats from the Alter cup is a great addition to the F16 class in the US, getting a boat used for a week, all tuned up and ready to go is a good deal.

If you guys go back and look at some of my comments, you'll notice that I've softened my stance on the F16 and lately even been slightly complimentary.

I do agree that Wouter has been key to getting this class started and he deserves a congratulations for that.

Bill

I was under the impression it was a two man event, am I wrong here?

I like comparing the input from both you guys, so please don't stop now!

You both are reasoned and often passionate in your opinions, which are traits I happen to admire.

I'd join in more, but don't have the knowledge base.

Bill,
As far as I know, there is definitely nothing that says it has to be on a two-person boat. In fact, I have been told that one of these years it could even be done on the Hobie Wave, which I think would be a perfect boat for the Alter Cup.

Mary,
Thanks for clarifing that, I stand corrected.
Bill

Tell us more about the radio-controlled servo's!!!
I like the idea, A bit like sailing on a Volvo 70 right now? Manpower can't keep up with the loadings and speed required, so it has to be "mechanically/hydraulically/electrically/servo operated". You could skipper your boat from a "chase power boat" with your crew strapped to the mast and you operate/sail the boat using radio control to servo's on the cat, from within the power boat, boy could you make your crew really sit up and pay attention to you then?

You'd have to have a pretty fat crew to make minimum weight.

How about servos to right the boat? hmmm. would be difficult to figure that out.

"fat crew"
At last, a sport for the truly large person, an end to "fitness" discrimination in sport

What about the old East German women's bobsled team? They were HUGE!!

Does anyone remember "Beaker" from the "Muppet Show"!

Allas.....We Digress

Die thread Die

No minimum weight requirement on A Class. Maybe RC is the A Class of the future!

I have seen Wouter discuss optimum weight ranges for F16, but never minimum weight. Maybe the whole "minimum weight" discussion should stay with the classes that have them.

Before wingnut gets to you. The A's do have a minimum as of a few years ago.
9. Minimum weight in full sailing trim shall be not less than 75 kilograms.

I think he was talking about crew weight, not boat weight. I believe there is no minimum crew wt. for the A cats (or the F16 class), but I don't race A cats. Any A experts have the correct answer?

Minimum weight on A-class is for the boat and full rig only: 165 pounds = 75 kilos. See the box rule at www.usaca.info
We have tall skinny skippers, some short skinny people, tall large people, short large people.... but overall, a lot of 165-175 pound people seem to do very well. Except for Lars Guck, who is a substantial guy and killer downwind, and Pease Glaser who is rather taller than I, and killer downwind too. (personal observation, Islamorada, Florida, January 2006). So what do they know about boatspeed that I don't know? Welll... a lot to start with!

We have a guy at Houston Yacht Club at 250 who is scary on a Nacar A2. Believe his name is Doug Graf? He just has a LOT of time on the boat from what I hear.

F16 class : No minimum crew weight just minimum boat weight (same as A-cat in this)

Wouter

P.S. Incredibally how difficult it is to have this thread die !