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Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? #69717
03/20/06 03:12 PM
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Re: Kayak vs catamarn in speed?? [Re: Erez] #69718
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It looks like the shark is closing!!

I've seen this before! Can anyone tell if it's an actual photo or something computerized

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Erez] #69719
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This is why you should always sea kayak with a buddy. Preferably, a buddy who is a slower paddler than you.


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Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: tshan] #69720
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Speed is relative to proper motivation. I think this must be a Photoshop project. The Kayaker doesn't have enough wake behind him considering the 'motivation' pictured here.

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: SunnyZ] #69721
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Oh yes, I definately think I would simulate an inanimate "log" insted of a living creature with that beast around me!
Too good to not be photoshopped tough..

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Erez] #69722
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I would also guess that it's a Photoshop project. He doesn't even have his rudder in the water and has no wake at all.
By the way: The fastest that I've had my recreational kayak up to is 5.6 MPH. And that is for a very short burst.
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Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Erez] #69723
03/21/06 01:03 PM
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Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Cookie Monster] #69724
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This was posted on a kayaking forum.
The shot is real for anyone wondering. Article:

http://www.whitesharktrust.org/pages/mediaarticle/media25.html
That one is certainly 2 photos
The other one looks real.


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Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Dermot] #69725
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Photo shop..... Already discussed on Sailing Anarchy.

Notice the how glassy the water is on the right side of the kayac where it's reflextion is.


Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Erez] #69726
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I could believe it, especially after seeing a great white swim up to the boat I was teaching a lesson on, but if I was that guy the last thing I would want to do is splash and make a wake trying to outrun a fish that can swim 15+ knots...

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: sbflyer] #69727
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Seems the "experts" who discussed the pic on Sailing Anarchy have the last word, despite the fact that if anyone actually READ the article, they would understand (oh, wait, we`re dealing with catsailors here, pardon my assumption that SOME of us are intelligent) the fact that the guy in the kayak actually goes out looking for sharks so he can STUDY them, not try and outrun them, which is why his rudder is up and looky, he is not trying to paddle. We call him a MARINE BIOLOGIST.
The photo was also published on the front page of the newspapers in SA shortly after an article in which a kayaker was attacked in False Bay, he wasn`t hurt but his kayak looked a bit "used". I doubt whether this pic would make it into a recognised publication if it were photoshopped.
Sharks attack swimmers because they flounder around in the water (we`re not designed to swim, and from a fish`s perspective we do a horrible job of trying), and a floundering animal is one who, according to the laws of nature, needs to be eaten, becuase it is injured and will die anyway.
Sharks attack surfers because they look an awful lot like a turtle from below, and sharks have turtle way up high on their menu. They very seldom eat the surfer after realising their mistake becuase we don`t taste like turtle(probably a good thing, and why most surfers survive sharks attacks, albeit with a few digits less than they started their day with.)
It`s like, if you went on safari in Kenya, went out on a foot patrol with no protection (big gun), smeared yourself in barbeque sauce, and wandered into a small group of lions.
Good luck.
The thing that annoys me the most is that people think they have the right to suggest that we introduce shark hunting or nets (which trap and drown a large number of sharks, dolphins and sometimes whales, as well as other marine mammals), so that we, who are the masters of all we destroy in this world, can go for a good ol` swim.

I`ll be doing the Cape Point Challenge in 2 weeks time in False Bay, sincerely hope I don`t capsize, although there have been no reports of sailors being attacked in the 30 odd years that cats have been sailing there.

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #69728
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Well...... I bought the Photoshop discussion, however after seeing that, I stand corrected.

However, it is not the place I want to be...... In AUS and Sydney, we have had sharks rip appart kayaks. Latest one was in the Parramatta River (up Sydney Harbour) leaving a scared kayaker up a cardinal marker until help arrived. This shark was a Bull Shark.


Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #69729
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...Maybe Auzzies DO taste like turtle (or seal).

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #69730
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Seems the "experts" who discussed the pic on Sailing Anarchy have the last word, despite the fact that if anyone actually READ the article, they would understand ... that the guy in the kayak ...[is] a MARINE BIOLOGIST.


THANK YOU!


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Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: chrisun] #69731
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Ok, cool to know. The "joe-ks.com" link was what tipped the scales for me. Next time I spot orcas, I'll be sure to let them know I am a marine biologist. Should be safe then (joke)

Regarding walking into a pride of lions while properly wet out in barbecue sauce. Wouldn't that be a smart move, using barbecure sauce, if you was to walk into a pride of lions? Do they like their meat 'extra spicy'?

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #69732
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Rolf, the barbeque sauce is just to make sure that it`s over quickly and doesn`t hurt too much. My luck I`d not find a pride of lions, but a swarm of red ants instead .

Re: Kayak vs catamaran in speed?? [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #69733
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‘The thing that annoys me the most is that people think they have the right to suggest that we introduce shark hunting or nets (which trap and drown a large number of sharks, dolphins and sometimes whales, as well as other marine mammals), so that we, who are the masters of all we destroy in this world, can go for a good ol` swim.’

The thing that annoys me the most is that people think we have the obligation to stay out of the water or be one of the lower rungs on the food chain so that an aquatic eating machine can dine on our person with impunity. It is hard to have much sympathy for “the Grizzly man” or the marine biologist they show having his calf muscle bitten off by a bull shark on the Discovery channel.

The greatest lessons learned from these wacko’s behavior is that the process of natural selection is still in play. Those too naive to use their intellect to protect themselves (I am not promoting the wholesale indiscriminate slaughter of sea life with nets) are not only a danger to themselves (I could live with that) but also everyone else who would like to partake in water sports where there is a real chance of being eaten alive.

It comes down to how much value to you place on a human life? Do you feel a human life is more valuable? of the same value? or less valuable than that of a shark.

Steve…Good luck in the Cape Point challenge…hope someone’s bleeding heart doesn’t cost you an arm and a leg…figuratively and literally…LOL


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