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#71982 04/06/06 05:20 PM 04/06/06 05:20 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | Pete: Nice link. I bookmarked it. I use and swear by a bowline all over boat and trailer. You can ALWAYS get it loose no matter how tight it get. I also use a figure 8 on the end of my main sheet as it becomes my traveler line and tie to a loop on the rear crossbar. Doug Snell Hobie 17 Soon to be Mystere 4.3 www.tcdyc.com | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71983 04/06/06 11:55 PM 04/06/06 11:55 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | bowline bowline bowline... still can't figure out a square knot half the time
The next question to ask is how to tie a bowline- there have to be a hundred ways
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#71984 04/07/06 12:15 AM 04/07/06 12:15 AM |
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Posts: 65 Kuwait | Great site Pete Personally I use the bowline and figure 8. But growing up around my fathers boats I've learned how to use a lot of those knots at a young age. I would always get yelled at because I was always the first one jumping off the boat and on to the dock to tie the ropes even before the boat came to a stop. I use the Cleat hitch a lot on his larger boats, as well as the anchor bend and fishermans bend. Though I must admit that I didnt know what they were called in english till I saw this post. | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71985 04/07/06 12:16 AM 04/07/06 12:16 AM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | Guys: Friend taught me a funny little saying for the bowline. Flip the loop upwards. Take the end of the rope. The rabbit goes out of the hole around the tree and back through the hole. You will never forget how to tie a bowline. Doug Snell Hobie 17 Soon to be Mystere 4.3 www.tcdyc.com | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71986 04/07/06 01:09 AM 04/07/06 01:09 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | Great site Pete Personally I use the bowline and figure 8. But growing up around my fathers boats I've learned how to use a lot of those knots at a young age. I would always get yelled at because I was always the first one jumping off the boat and on to the dock to tie the ropes even before the boat came to a stop. I use the Cleat hitch a lot on his larger boats, as well as the anchor bend and fishermans bend. Though I must admit that I didnt know what they were called in english till I saw this post. Zee; I'll bet you're the only person on this forum that can tie all those knots. My knots are mostly nots! | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71989 04/07/06 08:43 AM 04/07/06 08:43 AM |
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Posts: 123 Syracuse, NY | bowline bowline bowline... still can't figure out a square knot half the time
The next question to ask is how to tie a bowline- there have to be a hundred ways PTP - the way I remembered the square knot was "Left over right , right over left" (or visa versa) Try it - it makes it easy. As for the bowline - well that's just practice. | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71990 04/07/06 09:37 AM 04/07/06 09:37 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I use cleat hitch, clove hitch, double half-hitch, trucker's hitch, and BOWLINE. Bowline is the most important. I never could figure out the rabbit-and-hole technique. I have a super-fast way to tie a bowline, and I can do it right-handed, left-handed and blindfolded. But I don't know how to describe what I do. It's just flop, twist, flip, flip, pull. Carlton Tucker claimed he could tie the fastest bowline, but I beat him (just barely). | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71991 04/07/06 09:54 AM 04/07/06 09:54 AM |
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Posts: 141 Panama City Beach, FL | Here's another good knot site. Real Knots How trustworty do y'all find the cow hitch for attaching the short length of line with the clew blocks to the jib clew? It seems like that's what everyone uses, but to me, it looks like it could slip. I must admit that I used to know a lot more knots than I do now, but bungee cords and tie-down straps with splice on hooks make knots like the tautline hitch and lineman's loop obsolete. | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71992 04/07/06 10:12 AM 04/07/06 10:12 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 975 South Louisiana, USA Clayton
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Posts: 975 South Louisiana, USA | Friend taught me a funny little saying for the bowline. Flip the loop upwards. Take the end of the rope. The rabbit goes out of the hole around the tree and back through the hole. You will never forget how to tie a bowline.
But my rabbit is dyslexic (and can't spell either). I found just tying the knot over and over you finally get it right. The bowline is real handy for most situations if you need to get it undone easily. A hand full of knots can get you through most situations. Square knot, right over left, left over right does it. If you do it wrong it becomes a granny knot... Clayton | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71993 04/07/06 10:14 AM 04/07/06 10:14 AM |
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | Mary: Carlton was at our 20th Madcatter and he and Walley Meyers had a bowline competition. They were given about a 3" inch diam rope and told they had to tie it behind their backs. I don't remember who won but it was a lot of fun.
For people that didn't know Carlton they should go read Mary's write up in the Hall of Fame. He was an amazing guy. I was introduced to him at the 93 Nationals in New Jersey. He had his old 84 boat he picked up just prior to the event. He offered to look at my boat setup. He said: Bub it looks like it's setup like everyone else so just go out and beat them. He went on to finish 4th and I got a "trophey" for 75th. Were do you hang that up?
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#71994 04/07/06 10:17 AM 04/07/06 10:17 AM |
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Posts: 141 Panama City Beach, FL | Mary, You might want to consider substituting the rolling hitch for the clove hitch. It's basically just a clove with one more loop under the overlapping piece, but it's more secure. The thing's you remember from Boy Scouts. | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71996 04/07/06 10:28 AM 04/07/06 10:28 AM |
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | Tommy, aren't you the one that says: "If you can't tie a good not, tie lots of em."
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#71998 04/07/06 10:37 AM 04/07/06 10:37 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | I use cleat hitch, clove hitch, double half-hitch, trucker's hitch, and BOWLINE. Bowline is the most important. I never could figure out the rabbit-and-hole technique. I have a super-fast way to tie a bowline, and I can do it right-handed, left-handed and blindfolded. But I don't know how to describe what I do. It's just flop, twist, flip, flip, pull. Carlton Tucker claimed he could tie the fastest bowline, but I beat him (just barely). I've seen the superfast bowline, it is almost literally a flick of the wrist!! It drives me crazy that I can't do it! So far, it's only the ladies that have a knot repertoire. | | | Re: Seamanship
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#71999 04/07/06 10:38 AM 04/07/06 10:38 AM |
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Posts: 851 US Western Continental Shelf | Some jokers once showed me the worlds fastest way to tie a bowline. They used both hands and their arms. They through a loop into the rope while holding the rope at each end of the knot. Then fliped it a couple of times and drew the ends tight. Bingo! A dragon bowline. "Dragon?" I said.
They would respond, "Yeah, draggin'. Cause all it is good for is dragging on the ground behind you."
The point of the joke was that this method of tying the bowline was only good for a loop on the end of a line (to be dragged behind). Because this style of tying the knot could not be implimented if you were actually tying, attaching the rope to something.
I tie a bowline differently than about 95% of everyone else. I start with a slip knot (slippery half hitch) with the standing part of the line as the slipping loop. This slippery half hitch is kept loose and is not cinched. Then the bitter end of the line is passed through the sliding loop. Then the bitter end is bent through the middle of the slippery half hitch by tightening up the slippery half hitch and thus inverting the knot.
The loop in what used to be the slipery half hitch is drawn through the loop, pulling the folded bitter end with it.
Maybe I'll shoot a mpeg of this.
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#72000 04/07/06 10:57 AM 04/07/06 10:57 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Some jokers once showed me the worlds fastest way to tie a bowline. They used both hands and their arms. They through a loop into the rope while holding the rope at each end of the knot. Then fliped it a couple of times and drew the ends tight. Bingo! A dragon bowline. "Dragon?" I said.
They would respond, "Yeah, draggin'. Cause all it is good for is dragging on the ground behind you."
The point of the joke was that this method of tying the bowline was only good for a loop on the end of a line (to be dragged behind). Because this style of tying the knot could not be implimented if you were actually tying, attaching the rope to something. Gary, that's not how I do it. I make a regular bowline knot, big loop or small loop or whatever. I've never seen the dragon bowline, but sounds like a good stunt, even if it isn't good for anything. Pat, since you mentioned tying it behind the back, I had to try it. First time, 3 seconds flat. Tying a bowline is the only thing I do well. Had to get lots of practice at it when we were sailing our cruising boat many years ago. Seems like a lot more knots are used (and used more often) on a big boat than on a beach cat. | | |
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