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Round Texel live on web with live pictures and GPS #7883
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http://www.roundtexel.com/



click on live.



I just looked at the live pictures and it looks like there is alot of wind again, the Dutch commentary said that the surf is rather small due to favourable conditions the last days, so most boats will get through the surf alright.



The flag indicate that the start will again be a fast downwind start with raised spis.



PFewww, the flag are just blown straight back, I say strong wind. The F18's, H16/P16's and smaller boats will do very well today.



Boats will also be tracked so you can see the progress made on the well known little map of the island.



Hope you'll have fun



Wouter


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You can see the boats leaving the beach right now [Re: Wouter] #7884
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Re: You can see the boats leaving the beach right now [Re: Wouter] #7885
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I must be doing something wrong -- getting niether video, nor tracking.

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You logged in to late the race is already over (nm [Re: RickWhite] #7886
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The results Torn, F18, iF20, Acat, F18HT's and 16' [Re: Wouter] #7887
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And here are some of the results that many will want to see.



The results of the 316 boats that finished out of the 594 registered starters.



On elapsed time first 10 :



Karsenbarg (NL) / Heemskerk (NL) tornado 94 02:40:54

Pols (NL) / Faas (NL) tornado 94 02:54:20

Keijzer (NL) / Brouwer (NL) nacra inter 20 96 02:59:04

Larsen (NL) / Geest (NL) formule18 102 02:59:05

Kenbeek (NL) / Brouwer (NL) formule18 102 03:00:16

Vink (NL) / Laaf (NL) formule18 102 03:00:37

Bouscholte (BE) / Nieuwenhuizen (BE) formule 20 96 03:00:44

Deventer (NL) / Krijthe (NL) formule 20 96 03:01:37

Smeets (NL) / Monteny (NL) formule 20 96 03:03:17

Bundock (AU) / Remagnino (IT) nacra F18 new 102 03:03:29

Sonino (IT) / Bruni (IT) formule18 102 03:03:38





on corrected time (first 10)



Karsenbarg (NL) / Heemskerk (NL) tornado 94 02:40:54

Duijndam (NL) / Zuijdwegt (NL) hobie 16 117 03:24:07

Larsen (NL) / Geest (NL) formule18 102 02:59:05

Kenbeek (NL) / Brouwer (NL) formule18 102 03:00:16

Vink (NL) / Laaf (NL) formule18 102 03:00:37

Schuitema (NL) / Boer (NL) hobie 16 117 03:27:40

Bundock (AU) / Remagnino (IT) nacra F18 new 102 03:03:29

Sonino (IT) / Bruni (IT) formule18 102 03:03:38

Schaffer (NL) / Maghielse (NL) hobie 16 117 03:31:50

Kersseboom (NL) / Zon (NL) hobie 16 117 03:32:54





Single handers on elapsed :



1 Schulte (DE) a-cat 100 03:30:27 03:30:27

2 Swinburn (UK) shadow 108 03:31:41 03:36:00

3 Ashby (AU) hobie fx one 107 03:33:22 03:19:24

4 Pool (TX) hobie fx one 107 03:41:47 03:27:16

5 Primowees (NL) prindle 15 126 03:52:48 03:04:45

6 Brouwer (NL) nacra inter 17 111 04:00:46 03:36:54





Singlehanders on corrected time With overall placings :



-17- Primowees (NL) prindle 15 03:04:45

-52- Ashby (AU) hobie fx one 03:19:24

-72- Pool (TX) hobie fx one 03:27:16

-90-Schulte (DE) a-cat 03:30:27

-112- Swinburn (UK) shadow 03:36:00



With an honourable mention of the Prindle 15 on placing 17, look at the time difference on handicap. This guy sailed a solo craft to 17th overal in very strainious conditions, windforce 5 to 6 beaufort (around 25 knots) on confused seas for 3 hours and 52 minutes. And I know the guy, he's a glassfibre repair man and on the wrong side of 40.



It is also clear to see that the lightweight A-cat did not have a decisive advantage over the FX-ones. As many of you know, I'm a fan of lightweight, but this also shows the limitations of being lightweight. It isn;t the answer to all.



The shadow, a lightweight F16 compliant boat, was only 73 seconds slower at the finish than the a-cat (in 3 hours and 31 minutes)



On the doublehanders (elapsed) :



4 F18's in the top ten ; also 3 F18's in the top 6

2 tornado's in the top 3; 1 iF20 in the top 3 ; 4 iF20 in the top ten.



The first new Nacra F18 is found at placing 10.



The first H16 is found at : 51th and 44 minutes after the tornado with line honours



On corrected time :



There are NO iF20 in the top 10 and only the tornado with line honours is the boat longer than 18 ft in the top 10. All other boats are F18's and H16's. 5 F18's in top 10 and 4 H16's. Dart 18 is at 15th. First Prindle 16 comes in at 16th on corrected time. First iF20 is at 22nd.



Congratulations to the H16's for putting up a good hurry up around the course.





But now the the results that everybody must be dying to know. Especially as Texel 2002 was a good approximation of the rough sailing conditions that might resemble those of the worrell 1000. The results of the F18HT :



The only F18HT to appear on the finishing list was a Ventillo F18HT sailed by lutz (CH) and Berger (CH). I haven't been able to find out if this was the only F18HT to compete. I'm sure that W.F. can let us know if any Bim Javelin 2's attended or not.



Their result on elapsed was :



154th Lutz (CH) / Berger (CH) ventilo 18HT 03:52:46 03:52:46



They were rated at 100 (texel) , F18 are 102, iF20 are 96 and Tornado are 94. Tornado classic = 100 (also)



The placed 194th out of 316 finishers on corrected time.



Considering that 594 started I say that this is a good result considering the conditions. Remember that Booth and Derksen picthpoled their boat violently ans Booth went to hospital but is okay.



The Spifire cat (grandfathered F16) clocked (elapsed)



42th Piggott (GB) / Piggott (GB) spitfire 103 03:20:03 03:14:13



And finished at 38th on corrected time. Also notice that the Texel rating of this boat is 103 and only 1 point less than the F18's.



A list with the H16's, P16's, spitfire on elapsed : (first number is elapsed ranking and the second is the corrected time placing)



42 38 Piggott (GB) / Piggott (GB) spitfire 03:20:03 03:14:13

51 2 Duijndam (NL) / Zuijdwegt (NL) hobie 16 03:24:07 02:54:27

60 6 Schuitema (NL) / Boer (NL) hobie 16 03:27:40 02:57:29

68 9 Schaffer (NL) / Maghielse (NL) hobie 16 03:31:50 03:01:03

74 10 Kersseboom (NL) / Zon (NL) hobie 16 03:32:54 03:01:57

84 12 Slot (NL) / Sanchez (NL) hobie 16 03:34:24 03:03:14

85 13 Bakker (NL) / Mooij (NL) hobie 16 03:34:50 03:03:37

104 26 Snel (NL) / Koppendraaier (NL) hobie 16 03:39:58 03:08:00

111 16 Bakker (NL) / Bakker (NL) prindle 16 03:41:36 03:04:40

135 41 Meijvogel (NL) / Meijvogel (NL) hobie 16 03:48:25 03:15:13



It was excelent H16, P16 (and F18) weather.



Hope this entertaining :



The results can be checked onlkine at : http://www.roundtexel.com/content/results_rt_2002.html?ID_Page=466&ID_Group=2&ID_Language=1



Regards



Wouter



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Re: Round Texel live on web with live pictures and GPS [Re: Wouter] #7888
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Wouter,



The "live" reporting on the Texel was entertaining. There is a lot of untapped media potential in our sport and I hope to see more done to improve the situation.



Please tell Mischa that W.F. said congratulations for his Texel win and for his team's recent Tornado Campaign success. Mischa is a lot of fun and a gifted sailor. Hopefully he will return to the W-1000 this year, as I know he want to attend this past year.



As far as the performance of the the A-Cat vs the Fx-one, please remember that Glen Ashby and Poole were sailing the FX-1s with spinnakers. Both Ashby and Poole are world class sailors. Who was the A-Cat sailor?



The F-18HT finished in the top third of starters on corrected time. I do not know the F-18HTs crew skill level nor type of F-18HT involved. Please consider that many Worrell Teams finish in the bottom 20% of the Hogs Breath 100 and Steeplechase. These W-1000 crews and boats are much better than their results indicate. Long Distance racing is a often a "crap shoot", and this is why I prefer bouy racing. Long distance racing requires many of the same skills as bouy racing, however "luck" seems to play a larger role than in bouy races. This is especially true on a course like Texel and with 500+ other boats racing together. Anything can happen.



How are Mitch and Goran? I understand that both of them pitchpoled and did not finish the race. I was hoping that you would be racing your F-16HP.



Got to go to the beach...the wind is up.....





Sail Light and Fast,



W.F.


short review in bad english [Re: wfo3] #7889
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This is a short review in bad english ;-)



We arrived at the 13th June in the morning after a 12 hours roadtrip through the night from switzerland.

got the boat to the beach and rigged.

It was allready blowing around 6 Bft. and the waves were hitting the beach. as we had totaly no expirience in starting from the beach we decided to wait for the next day. some boats allready didnt make it through the surf at there first try.

after allot of talk (I had to knew everything about beach starts and return, thanks to Dirk, Guido and Thomas) and a first great party, we had easy sailing on the next day.



The wind and the sea were easy too (2-3 Bft) and no big waves.



The next day was the race day. the boat was perfektly prepaered but we forgot the watch to take with us..... :-/

So we had a reallly bad start (I guess we were about the last boat witch crossed the line )

the wind was blowing with 6 Bft. and the first leg was a downwind leg. We didn't pulled our kite as allready many boats capsized and other boats had allredy some major breakdowns, broken beams and mast loses.

Still we were nicely catching up.

Then on the upwind leg we really got the boat going. the waves were bad because of the current running against them. many competers gave up at this point. the ventilo was still hammering through the waves and the boat felt very stiff. we were quit overpowered as we only weigh 130 kg (260lb).

after we made the upwind leg in the waddensea, the last downwind leg to the finish apeared.

we were still to scared to run the kite as we were quite exhausted. many boats capsized here again, because of the lak of concentration (I guess), our friend thomas capsized just in front of finishe line and ruined his main.

We were very happy to finish without damaging the boat, as half of the baots didn't made through.



In my opinion, when the wind is blowing hard like this with a light crew and not flying the kite, it is very hard to compete with hc16 and other small cats as the rating is quite high.







Andi, Switzerland
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I know Mitch pitchpoled, I don't know about Goran. I know the M20 ditched but I'm unaware that Goran was on that boat himself.



As I said a good result of the F18HT considering the conditions. About luck and distance races ; the same guys always end up in the top of the Texel finishing lists; the good sailors.



Yes, alot can happen in a distance race but I wouldn't call Texel a Crap shoot. As it nearly always has strong winds from a single direction and you know therefor what to expect. But if you want to call distance races like the texel AND the mugs race (Glory, glory F18HT) a crap shoot than that is okay with me as the two results of these two distance races will than be linked.



And honestly what is wronf with the course of Texel ? The Texel course is something between big triangle and a rectangle with the two major sides being a downwind leg and a upwind leg linked by two smaller reaches.



Surely this is much more fair to boats than alot of other distance races which are either one-way race or a have big reaches and only small upwind / downwind work ?



W.F. with all due respect, it is just a single result just as the mug race is and the tradewinds or Carnac 2001 /2002. It is not the end of all. Why play it down like this ? If we can't name the less than perfect with the perfect than what does that say ?



Again Like I said, a good result for Lutz and Berger in the conditions they were facing.



About my F16HP. I already knew earlier this year that I wouldn't be competing in this years Texel. The building takes time. I was hoping that either Geert or Steve (Taipan) or John (Stealth)would put a F16 flavour to this years Texel. However none appear in the finishing list. To bad. Luckily that the Spitfire is in the finishing list at a very good place 32 th. That boat must have really blasted along. With an elapsed time of 3 hours 20 minutes that boat was coming as 42nd of all boats.



But the biggest "we're not worthy" show came from the lonely Prindle 15 sailor. 3 hours and 52 minutes 48 secs



Actually Lutz and Berger saw that guy finish, he was crossing the finishline 2 seconds after they did.



So I say (all bickering aside), Hans Primowees is the hero of all. I know his is my hero.



Wouter







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Re: Round Texel live on web with live pictures and GPS [Re: Wouter] #7891
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Wouter,



I stand by my statement that long distance racing is more of a "crap shot" than bouy racing! Yes, the better teams do tend to do well in both events.



I have raced in many long distance races, winning many, that simply were not indicative of the crew skill level nor of the boat's performance potential. As boats get spread out geographically and across time, the teams often find themselves in differnet conditions from one another.



Sailing with my brother, I once competeted in an event called the Chesapeake Light Race. It was a 30+mile event that was upwind/downwind on that day. We finished at about 3pm in 15 ktns and at 3:05pm the wind STOPPED! To add insult the tide went adverse. Several good teams on fast boats finished around 10pm, with the next boat finishing after 7pm!



You mentioned the Mug Race and it is a great example. What if they would have stopped the race at the half way point? Randy and myself, sailing his Javelin 2, lead the event by 3-5 miles in the middle of the event! This was not because the Jav 2 was that much faster than the other boats (RC 30, RC 27, I-20, etc), but because Randy and myself decided to play the shore (very closely) downwind and sailed often in 6" of water to do so! The other boats sat in no wind while we sailed as fast as 12 knts! Later we sat and watched most of the fleet catch us, as the wind filled from behind. This would be a poor circumstance to judge boat performance, wouldn't it?



Rarely does a fleet get spread this far out around a bouy course. This is why I consider bouy racing a better judge of boat performance potential.



Races like Tradewinds, Spring Fever, and Deleware have provided better indications of our boat's relative perfomance. Performance at any one given event is not a good indicator of a boats potential. If it were, the the Portsmouth Committee would have to place the Jav 2's handicap at a number faster than the I-20's. Once more of these new boats (F-18s, F-18HTs, and F-16HPs) are raced by sailors of differing talent, on more courses, and in differing wind/wave conditions, then we will have a better idea of their relative performance. Don't you agree?



I have nothing against the Texel Race and plan to race in it one day! I am fascinated by the storys of tides, waves and wind told by my friend Bill Roberts. While bouy racing is my love, I also enjoy racing in the Florida Keys Triple Crown, the Steeplechase, the C-100, the Statue of Liberty, and the Down the Bay races. Next year, I would like to race in both the W-1000 and the Tybee Race.



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