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shroud tension #78965
07/02/06 04:41 AM
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How tight should the shrouds be? Is there a rule of thumb?
I can only set it at "discrete values", is it recommendable to use a set-up that allows more finetuning?


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Re: shroud tension [Re: tikoes] #78966
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We set it as tight as possible, without hampering our mast rotation, especially so in light winds where the mainsheet is left quite loose.. I dont believe it is neccesary with fine tuning on shroud tension, but getting it thight is good.

Re: shroud tension [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #78967
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I use my weight on the trap to pull the stays down. This seems tight enough to stop the mast comming off the ball.
I've done too many repairs on boats that have been rigged too tight.

Re: shroud tension [Re: Berny] #78968
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No matter what you do, with any wind pressure, the leeward shroud is going to hang loose. We tighten ours with one person on the trapeze.


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Re: shroud tension [Re: Jake] #78969
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For Capricorn F18

The rig tension is in general high to avoid the forestay sagging. The limit is passed if the mast no longer rotates easily, in this case the tension should be slightly reduced.

* For light winds set the side stay tension at approximately 50kg
* In strong winds set the side stay tension at approximately 100kg


Re: shroud tension [Re: Berny] #78970
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I've done too many repairs on boats that have been rigged too tight.


Probably (should, anyway) goes without saying, but if folks store their boat mast up and run their rig tight they should take the tension off when the boat is not being sailed. My NACRA assembly manual specifically states this for my 6.0, but I'm surprised at how many people look at us funny when we put the tension on before sailing and take it off afterward.

Re: shroud tension [Re: Keith] #78971
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I leave my mast up with the normal tension I sail with. I keep thinking that I should release it but then wouldn't you do just as much damage if it is given just enough room to lightly slap back and forth?

Re: shroud tension [Re: PTP] #78972
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PTP, there is tension, and then there is tension..

Like I said, we tension the rig as hard as practical before going out, and take it off afterwards. We dont leave the rig floppy afterwards, just loosen it enough to take off the real tension.

Re: shroud tension [Re: Berny] #78973
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So what can happen when you leave the tension on ?

Wouter


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Re: shroud tension [Re: PTP] #78974
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I leave my mast up with the normal tension I sail with. I keep thinking that I should release it but then wouldn't you do just as much damage if it is given just enough room to lightly slap back and forth?


I saw an I20 a couple of weeks ago that had been sitting for a long time at a sailing club (years). The shroud pins had nearly worn through the chainplates in the hulls and lacked only about 1/16" of material.


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Re: shroud tension [Re: Jake] #78975
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I think I do a good job of inspecting the rigging very frequently- just bought new shrouds and bridle stays (from the foil to the hulls) and redid one trap side. Also replaced the pins. I think I will probably make a habit in the future of loosening it by at least one pin hole after sailing.
The I20 you are talking about- I doubt you pulled on anything- but was the rig tight? or was it from flopping around.

Re: shroud tension [Re: Wouter] #78976
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6.0 manual said over time it would cause the hulls to deform.

Re: shroud tension [Re: PTP] #78977
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I think I do a good job of inspecting the rigging very frequently- just bought new shrouds and bridle stays (from the foil to the hulls) and redid one trap side. Also replaced the pins. I think I will probably make a habit in the future of loosening it by at least one pin hole after sailing.
The I20 you are talking about- I doubt you pulled on anything- but was the rig tight? or was it from flopping around.


The rig was very sloppy - but reportedly had been tight at one time.


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Re: shroud tension [Re: Keith] #78978
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I've done too many repairs on boats that have been rigged too tight.


Probably (should, anyway) goes without saying, but if folks store their boat mast up and run their rig tight they should take the tension off when the boat is not being sailed. My NACRA assembly manual specifically states this for my 6.0, but I'm surprised at how many people look at us funny when we put the tension on before sailing and take it off afterward.


I strongly disagree with that. Letting the mast flop around in the wind is inviting disaster. A Taipan 4.9 did exactly that which eventually caused a shroud to break and the mast came crashing down (1 dead mast). Also, tie the rotator spanner off so that the mast cant oscillate (sp?) back and forward in a blow.

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Re: shroud tension [Re: C2 Mike] #78979
07/05/06 12:30 PM
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I've done too many repairs on boats that have been rigged too tight.


Probably (should, anyway) goes without saying, but if folks store their boat mast up and run their rig tight they should take the tension off when the boat is not being sailed. My NACRA assembly manual specifically states this for my 6.0, but I'm surprised at how many people look at us funny when we put the tension on before sailing and take it off afterward.


I strongly disagree with that. Letting the mast flop around in the wind is inviting disaster. A Taipan 4.9 did exactly that which eventually caused a shroud to break and the mast came crashing down (1 dead mast). Also, tie the rotator spanner off so that the mast cant oscillate (sp?) back and forward in a blow.

Tiger Mike


Don't make it loose enough to flop. Definitely don't want that. Just don't want the full-on tension you sail with. Even a tight rig will flog in a breeze if you don't lock the mast rotation.

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