I setup my new Blade today and had a problem getting the Spin to retrieve into the bag. I attached the small diameter line to the top attach point and then threaded the halyard through the other two grommet holes. The halyard is so thick that the Spin hangs up on it. Should I add knots to keep the Spin somewhat separated entering the bag? Mine just bunches up and I cant get it to smoothly enter. The bag appears to small for the ammount of material.

Other than this and the Main not having a grommet to attach to at the bottom (it has to go back to Ulman to be corrected) the setup went ok.

Spray your spin bag and hoop with mclube. Is your spinnaker getting caught on the hoop? Need more specifics.

Main not having a grommet? The main does not have a grommet, it an eye, where your downhaul upp blocks go through. The blocks are supposed to be lashed(sp?) together.

Picture of Main.

While were at it here is the bottom of my jib where the velcroed flap is suppost to fit around the bottom of the post. Another problem?

Yep you are right, your main has to be returned to ULLMAN to get the eye it needs at the foot/luff corner.

Same goes for the JIB, that velcro is not right.

Here is a good image to see how it is suppost to be.


Here is the thread where it is taken from. VERY good information.
http://www.catsailor.com/forums/sho...67&an=0&page=1#Post80567

It sounds like you've got it rigged right. Mine was a bit of a pig for the first few sails, but it's much better now. As Robi suggests, go wild with some silicone lube and it'll get better once it has been in and out a good few times.

I've got my retrieval line through the grommet in the middle of the tramp, rather than to the block on the back beam. I find this somewhat easier, not least because I can look where I'm going whilst snuffing.

Main: yep, that's definitely missing a grommet (and a block)

Jib: Yes, the velcro goes round the forestay (see attachment). I no longer put the blue rope inside the flap, as it causes it to come unstuck. Also, I've no longer got the bit of yellow rope you can see at the tack - it's straight onto the shackle.

Paul

Speaking of bits missing - Robi, yours doesn't seem to have a plastic plug at the very foot of the mail sail that goes in the mast track. I've never really understood the logic of attaching the DH anywhere other than the very bottom of the sail, but the very bottom of the sail should at least be retained in the mast slot.

Paul

You know! You are right! I just now noticed that! LOL

Damn! Whats with these ULLMAN sails! Someone forgetting how to make them properly? I would asume those are obvious things HUH <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Its NOT like they are cheap either <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I guess I will have to go to my local sail maker and get it resolved ASAP. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Why are they still delivering boats with the retrieval line lef all the way to the back ?

Gawwwd, that is so outdated !

Besides it never worked right ever.

Wouter

What the &@#%^ is wrong with company "Ullman Sails" !

This is all just sloppy work. And each time more hick-ups are surfacing.

A little more and this bad supplier is pulling the whole Blade F16 design down.

I'm sure that that will much appreciated by the Blade designers and the F16 class builders. NOT !

If I see one more hickup by Ullman I swear I'm going to advice all European customers to ditch this company for Landenberger and Ashby sails.

This really is not acceptable. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />


Matt/Gina if you are reading this ....


Wouter

While we're on the subject of these Ullman sails: How do you get your main sails up solo? I find that I need to stand in front of the mast in order to feed the sail and stop the bolt rope popping out, and like this it's almost impossible to pull on the halyard with enough force. Any tips?

Paul

pull the halyard that is in the mast groove out through the sail feed opening and pull on that. Once hoisted pull the slack through the bottom part of the mast groove and slide the remain sail luff and slug in.

That is the way I've always hoisted my mainsail (many times solo), I don't have any blocks at all at the bottom of my (homebuild) mast

Wouter

I've tried that. It sort of works, but pulling the rope out through the same hole that the sail is going in through makes the problem of the sail popping out worse. It's also quite fiddly to then pull the halyard through.

Paul

Wouter: What is the best setup for the retrieval line, in your opinion? We have it run to the aft of the boat, and it works well enough. It would be good to clean up the loop going aft tough. (It will not be changed until after the regatta season, just one month more to go <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> )

About Ullman.. I think Ullman is a franchise brand where local lofts join/leave more or less constantly. Things like this is quite common with lofts who has too much to do in periods or poor quality control routines. It's usually just one or two persons doing 'finish' work like installing grommets, batten pocket end fittings, slugs, sail numbers etc. and these can be overworked, undermanaged, have a bad day etc. It's not neccesarily representative for every loft under the Ullman brand. It is very annoying and completely uneccesary to have such goof-ups tough. Loft is loosing money over it as well so they should be very interested in correcting their routines.
Have the sail sent back to the loft, on their expense, and get it fixed. It's a 30 minutes job to install the grommet and reinforcements..

PS: Got to say that the F-16 forum is the best one for schematics and pictures of different setups. Just yesterday a fellow Tornado sailor was helped out with his jib-sheeting with pictures and schematics found here. He got the mandatory F-16 information/propaganda as well, of course. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Another thing I noticed (well me being a graphics guy) the sail numbers on my sail were all put on extremely sloppy and way off centered.

i would also like info re other retrival line setups for the blade. my line started to wear through the tramp aft fiberglass rod where it returns through the block.

Best setup I used so far, have it on my own boat.



Just stitch a small block to the underside of your trampoline to the rear of the snuffer back.

Above the trampoline run the retrieval line through a Stainless Steel ring (not a block) which is itself attached to a bungee coming from the back corner. Ring is both cheaper and works better.

if more info required then do a search on this forum. I've posted a full explanation about 1 to 2 years ago.


I still don't understand why builder are persevering with very outdated systems that were quickly disgarded as not working.


Wouter

Mine started to wear through the tramp which is part of the reason I moved it. I just put it through the same grommet as the mast rotation. I thought this might be a problem, but it works just fine.

Paul

I have the the main flaked out on the port side of the tramp. The boat is pointed upwind, the rotation controls are off. The bolt rope has been previously McLube'd. Quite often, I can now grab the halyard and walk straight back from the boat.