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Hobie Race Management #80550
07/19/06 07:47 AM
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Is it just me, or is Hobie Race Management going to the birds. Face it, Paul must be loosing it. His decissions have not be solid and he continues to be on his little power trip. Old age? When is Hobie NA going to pull him down from his power trips?

I don't know a single top racer that wants to go to an event that he is the R/C for. Well, they will go, but would rather someone else.

It seems the racing is more about him and what he can do rather than the racer.

MJ

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Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80551
07/19/06 07:49 AM
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Dare I ask what in the world are you talking about?


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Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: Jake] #80552
07/19/06 08:19 AM
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You want to be a little more specific? Particular offending event, specific incidents, etc.

A personal rant without some back-up is just whining.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: mbounds] #80553
07/19/06 08:23 AM
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Also - having this as your first post (seven minutes after registering for the site) is a little suspicious.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80554
07/19/06 08:42 AM
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If there is something specific you have a problem with, and you are truly looking for a solution, it would be much more effective if you contacted your Division Chair and the Hobie Class Chair. All of the contact information is on the HCA website.

Even an anonymous letter to your Division and the HCA Chair will accomplish more than ranting on this forum.

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Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: mbounds] #80555
07/19/06 08:43 AM
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I concur with Jake and Matt...let's hear what the issue is.


Tiger Sailor
Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80556
07/19/06 08:52 AM
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Really? What's the issue? Just an Annon poster trying to start something (again). Don't take the bait.

Rico
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PS - I agree with Matt, Jake, Bob and John.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: deq204] #80557
07/19/06 09:12 AM
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DEQ, from what I've heard, let's back up to your event a couple of years ago. Didn't he decide to split the fleet at the last minute for a NA's? What was that all about?

Does your fleet even want him back on the property?

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80558
07/19/06 09:40 AM
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Syracuse,N.Y
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First you need to ID yourself.
I ran the 2004 16's in Syracuse and nothing was done without my approval.


Pat Bisesi Fleet 204
Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80559
07/19/06 09:46 AM
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Were you even there?
Who are you?
What's with this fishing expedition?
Why an issue with a 2 year old regatta?
Paul is welcome any time he wants to come on over and play.
Hopefully he'll stay at our home and break bread with our family.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: deq204] #80560
07/19/06 09:56 AM
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So, is he going to be around forever, or is the class going to get rid of him for someone that listens?

Talk to any of the past champions over the past 10 years. Can you find anyone of them that support him? The world class has lost respect for him. He isn't even invited to the world events.

The class is in trouble and there is no one that he has mentored to replace him as his retirement is near.

Pat, from what I heard, it was done with your approval, but there was significant displeasure, and only done with 2 hours notice leaving your fleet to scramble to get more boats and staff. Nice piece of team work that he did. An entire year of planning thrown out the window. Would you want to go through that again?

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80561
07/19/06 10:06 AM
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So, is he going to be around forever, or is the class going to get rid of him for someone that listens?

Talk to any of the past champions over the past 10 years. Can you find anyone of them that support him? The world class has lost respect for him. He isn't even invited to the world events.

The class is in trouble and there is no one that he has mentored to replace him as his retirement is near.

Pat, from what I heard, it was done with your approval, but there was significant displeasure, and only done with 2 hours notice leaving your fleet to scramble to get more boats and staff. Nice piece of team work that he did. An entire year of planning thrown out the window. Would you want to go through that again?


After thorough analysis of your last statement, you got not one fact correct.

Thank you for playing, we have great parting gifts, including the home version of our fishing game.

I'm done with this thread.

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Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: deq204] #80562
07/19/06 10:13 AM
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Really. Not one fact. Maybe you missed that morning. Did you sleep in?

Clearly, this guy does not play well with others.

Thanks for your update.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: deq204] #80563
07/19/06 10:28 AM
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Per the contract that we sign when running a North American Championship with HCA the fleet will be split when there are more than 70 boats entered into gold and silver fleets after a round robin format for 3 days.
We knew this a year in advance and that is what was done.
What happened was we chose to give the silver fleet their own course allowing both fleets more races. We had the man power, boats and a second qualified PRO on site to do this.

There are at least two other PRO's that have been training with Paul for more than 5 years.

I know I didn't run a perfect event and I'm sure there are things that Paul might like to change.
It's easy to be a back seat driver.
Step up and volunteer to head a committe, then you will have a new view on how difficult it is to please everyone.

The class is doing very well and I would bet we will approach the 70 boat mark for this years H16 NAC again.


Pat Bisesi Fleet 204
Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: pbisesi] #80564
07/19/06 10:41 AM
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So, I assumae that he might retire from this in the next 2 years. Who is going to take this over? I would imagine that Mark S. it top on his list.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80565
07/19/06 10:58 AM
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I guess I'm being a dick for a reason. It clearly sounds like the NE thinks he walks on water and that the class can't do any better. However, that is just one part of the sampling of the entire country.

I don't care if people reply and want to hide their identities. Clearly, it would be political suicide if Matt put him down, although I know that Matt is on his good side.

And, I that is part of the concern. Your either on his very good side, or, you are out and he will go out of his way to slam you or eliminate you.

Paul's way is either his way or the highway. There is alot of lurkers out there that do not want to say anything because they are afraid of any reprocussions.

Can't tell me i'm full of sh*t on that comment.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: MJ44] #80566
07/19/06 10:59 AM
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Mark is certainly one of the qualified people.
Last years H14,H16,H17 NAC's didn't seem to have any RC issues that I'm aware of.

Last weekend in Buffalo the RC was an absolute genius.
7 races 85F 18knots of steady wind on a big body of water.
The same person has been criticized in the past when it was cold , the wind was light and shifty on a lake with a lot of shoals.
Being in charge ain't easy.
When your judged on rumors it becomes that much more difficult.


Pat Bisesi Fleet 204
Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: pbisesi] #80567
07/19/06 11:10 AM
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Exactly

And that PRO is on Paul's sh*t list of race officiers. There are many excellent race officiers out there, however most of them are on his bad list as he is threatened by them.

You tell me which ones are on his good side.

Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: pbisesi] #80568
07/19/06 11:16 AM
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I would say that all of the people that have responded have all been in a leadership position and don't like someone publically bashing someone else that has put in many, many years of volunteer service trying to improve our class association.

I(with our fleet) have worked with Paul at the H14's, H16 womens, H16 Youth, H16 open, H17's along with an Alter Cup.

He can be stubborn, almost as much as me.
We have always been able to put on a great event for the sailors even though there may have been some private spirited discussions behind closed doors.
They should stay there.


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Re: Hobie Race Management [Re: pbisesi] #80569
07/19/06 11:42 AM
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I have to agree with Pat.

Paul is a personal friend of mine. He can be stubborn, demanding and a pain in the butt sometimes. However, I attribute the excellence and progressiveness of our class' race management to his unwillingness to compromise the class' standards. How many other classes were running courses with gates ten years ago?

I don't think he feels "threatened" by anybody. I have seen him go out of his way to accomodate sailors at an event - only to have them turn on him when they don't even realize what has been done. He takes a lot of crap for stuff beyond his control.

I don't think anybody would argue (except maybe Sam Evans) that PU runs nearly perfect courses that take exactly the amount of time he intends them to.

I'm looking forward to sailing in the PU run H-17 / Tiger NA's two weeks from now. I'll know that the start line will be appropriately favored, the marks will be where they should be, and each race will last just about 45 minutes - no matter what the wind strength.

In the evenings, I'll enjoy sharing sailing stories and a bottle of excellent wine with my friend, whom I haven't seen in nearly a year.

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