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supercat 20 tall rig #83091
08/21/06 01:20 PM
08/21/06 01:20 PM
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Hollister CA, Plano TX
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I might be aquiring a supercat 20 tall rig. besides the 12ft beam and the weight. what are the pros and cons of this boat. thanks in advance for any advice or knowledge of this platform.

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pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: avalondarlyn] #83092
08/21/06 03:30 PM
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pretty much only 1 con ....

It US sailing portsmouth handicap rating. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Wouter

(That was a joke y'all)


Wouter Hijink
Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild)
The Netherlands
Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: Wouter] #83093
08/22/06 07:04 AM
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If you need to dump this new acquisition, please feel free to contact me. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: Wet1] #83094
08/23/06 07:07 AM
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Pros Probably the best tacking boat Iv ever sailed, and Ive owned an N20 and now an F18.

When hit by a puff the acceletation is rediculous, the wide beams translate the power to the boat, heeling is minimal comparatively, but the speed gained is big.

Stable

Cons
Set-up is a bitc*

The older they get, the less reliable they are.

Its a big butt boat to sail around the bouys


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: dave mosley] #83095
08/23/06 08:45 AM
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Norfolk, VA
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Cons:
They really do take a long time to set up--mine takes a good 2-3 hours and everything is heavy. It makes for a long day if you have to trailer it and set it up to go sailing. They are also heavy at about 500 pounds and rolling them up a long beach is a mother.

Also, parts aren't really easy to find and they aint cheap. The tramp alone is about a grand and there really aren't used sails available. You can use the steering off of any supercat, so that is a plus.

Just don't get cought up transforming it to the same set-up as an ARC22. You can get new sails, new diamonds, solid beams, self-tacking jib, spinnaker... It really adds up fast.

The older ones had problems with the bow tangs pulling out, but other than that, they are tanks.

Pros:
It is a very stable, very fast boat and is a blast to sail in any wind. You are up in the air on the tramp and when you are trapped out, you are REALLY up in the air. They have a good righting system and the manufacturer claims they can't be pitchpoled. I don't believe that claim, but I haven't pitchpoled mine (yet). When you get a puff, the boat seems to lift up out of the water and just go. It is an extremely fast (and wet) ride and is just plain comfortable. The rig and the beam translate wind to speed very quickly and the performance is awesome.


Dan Berger
Norfolk, VA
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Supercat 15
Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: Dan Berger] #83096
08/23/06 01:27 PM
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But Dan Berger will still get owned by my Nacra 20 vs. his Supercat 20...just 'cause that's the way it is.
If you have a place to leave the boat set up all the time, then it may be a good option, but if you have to set up and break down, you may as well get a Tornado and have more people to sail with (and even then...).
see attachment

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Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: NCSUtrey] #83097
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How about a CARBON version of the SC 20 TR??? All up weight would probably be < 300 #. I think it would show a DPN < 60. It would be pricey, but it would kick a$$.

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Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: DHO] #83098
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Norfolk, VA
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Thanks, Trey--One problem with your I20 logic is that in a collision the SC20 would rule.

..and for the people out there who don't recognize the picture, it is Trey and "Team Butt crack" on my boat on the Bay. The humanity.


Dan Berger
Norfolk, VA
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Supercat 15
Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: Dan Berger] #83099
08/23/06 05:05 PM
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Roberts himself pitchpoled his SC20 in the steeplechase two years ago.

The picture of it in the process of happening was on the front page of catsailor.com for months <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: MauganN20] #83100
08/23/06 06:09 PM
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Roberts himself pitchpoled his SC20 in the steeplechase two years ago.

The picture of it in the process of happening was on the front page of catsailor.com for months <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


No No no...don't you remember? He broke a rudder first and that's what caused it. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Jake Kohl
Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: Jake] #83101
08/23/06 06:49 PM
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The photo you reference was taken from the channel 5 bridge shortly after the day 2 start. No pitchpole occured at that time, just a good pick me up to start the day. As with many boats; if the skipper and crew can avoid being slung forward, the boat can bury the nose, recover, and keep on rocking.

The daily swim occured much further up the course when attempting to shortcut across some flats. Rudders kicked-up, yes one broke, boat rounded up and we performed a semi-nose plant into mud with a sideways roll-over. Nice move, you should try it.

Regards,
E

Re: pretty much only 1 con .... [Re: EricRoberts] #83102
08/23/06 08:42 PM
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Was there a madflat under Verrazano bridge too? I've heard that all SC cats have very smart righting systems - extendable shrouds, sea anchors, just let the boat right itself. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: supercat 20 tall rig [Re: avalondarlyn] #83103
08/25/06 09:23 AM
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Thank You, Everybody, great resources. much appreciated.

Picture Sequence [Re: EricRoberts] #83104
08/26/06 11:28 AM
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Where is that picture sequence. I looked all over the site for it.

Dan/Trey, do you have any more pics of the boat?


craig van eaton
Supercat 20
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SC 20 modifications [Re: cyberspeed] #83105
09/07/06 11:44 AM
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Hi Craig,

looking at your galleries, your SC20 seemed to have received major modifications since the start of your project. Would appreciate if you find time to explain what all has been changed and what were the reasons behind? I just bought an old SC 20 with the smaller mast and will try to update it once the boat arrives... It stills comes with the telescoping beams, while it seems you changed them recently? Are you still sailing/racing your boat in 2006?

Kind regards from the other side of the world! :-)

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