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spin takedown steps #83112
08/21/06 07:15 PM
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Hi you wise souls out there. I just got my Infusion..What a nice sailing boat. Yes the daggers do gybe!.. Pretty cool to see them going back and forth..

My question is this: What is the sequence for taking down the spin?

What I have got so far is this:
1. crew gives spin sheet to skip
2. crew releases halyard
3. crew starts snuffing as fast as possible
4. skipper uncleats tack.

Problem is if crew doesn't snuff fast enough then the bag goes in the drink! I could bring a whip on the boat, but I am looking for a 21st century solution!
Thanks,
Dave

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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: pitchpoledave] #83113
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If your halyard and retreval line are the same rope and the right length, its very unlikely that you're kite will end up in the water. On our boat I never touch anything kite related. The crew does it all.

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: ] #83114
08/21/06 07:54 PM
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On the Infusion the tack is a separate line and it can be rigged so that either the crew or skipper can release it. If the crew releases it then they have to stop snuffing and reach down to release it..Slower imho..

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: ] #83115
08/21/06 07:59 PM
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It will firstly all depend on how you have the boat set up ie Halyard / Tackline.

1) Crew comes in of wire with skipper going out (if fresh)
2) Crew puts windward board down, then ducks under boom and puts the leeward board down.
3) Crew sheets in Jib and brings in Mast rotation.
4) Crew stands on kite sheet to maintain kite flying
5) Crew takes up slack in retrieval line before uncleating the spinnaker halyard and retrieving.
6) As the crew is retreiving he must step of kite sheet.
7) Once kite is snuffed, crew moves to wire and swings out while he grabs the downhaul and applies necessary tension.
8) Crew then fine tunes jib and mast rotation before taking the main sheet.

** If you have a seperate tack like we do, when the crew is retreiving, the skipper will trip the tack line. I have a release at the end of each rear beam so it is accessable when I am trapping of the transom or sitting in. I also have a back up one beside the retreival line for the crew to trip if I have too much on (and will call it)


Re: spin takedown steps [Re: pitchpoledave] #83116
08/21/06 09:03 PM
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I don't have the crew hand me the sheet - I let them keep it snug while they pull in the slack on the dousing line. They then release the sheet and start the douse (releasing the sheet makes the douse easier). The tack line doesn't get released until the ball of the snuffer has just started to go into the hoop - I've never had a spinnaker in the water problem unless the tack is released too soon.


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: Jake] #83117
08/21/06 10:13 PM
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We use the separate tack line also.

when the chute stops coming into the snuffer, then it is time to release the tack line.

you have to be a little careful if you have a really strong & keen front person. Kevin has ripped a chute or two ;-0

We are also rigged to have the tack so we can reach it from the wire so we can pre feed, so we have at least one on the wire at the hoist and the rounding.

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: Tom Korz] #83118
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We are also rigged to have the tack so we can reach it from the wire so we can pre feed, so we have at least one on the wire at the hoist and the rounding.


I was about to do this when we put the boat on the market, so it'll have to wait for the next boat. Our proposed system is at the back of the boat where I as skipper can reach between my legs and give it a tug. Has anyone used reverse purchase here to minimise the amount of rope that needs to be pulled?

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: ] #83119
08/22/06 12:52 AM
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Yep, initially tried 1:2 purchase and was too hard to pull out..... Now 1:1

Also have 1.5 mm lines running under the tramp to 3 locations to trip the tackline cleat. Will take some pics soon and post.


Re: spin takedown steps [Re: ] #83120
08/22/06 07:26 AM
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where I as skipper can reach between my legs and give it a tug


Hey, Hey, Hey! There will be none of that. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #83121
08/22/06 07:40 AM
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Yep, initially tried 1:2 purchase and was too hard to pull out..... Now 1:1

Also have 1.5 mm lines running under the tramp to 3 locations to trip the tackline cleat. Will take some pics soon and post.


I'm definitely interested in seeing your set-up. Robbie put something similar on his last Cap (they keep selling out from underneath him) and I'll be doing the same over the winter. No change to the stock 1:2 single-line set up until after I get through Nationals and our Championship Qualifying event in November.


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #83122
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I would like to see your triple trip set-up. I though about running the trips aft but was thinking a wave might trip the tack <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />.


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: pitchpoledave] #83123
08/22/06 08:25 AM
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Step by step:
1. on distance race, realize you are trying to run the spin way too high or low, say "crap" and call for the spin to be brought down.
2. quickly try to remember whether it works better to release tack line first or halyard while sorting out the mess of lines on the tramp.
3. release halyard and/or tack line
4. pull on snuffer line while the skipper tries to figure out where to grab the stupid spin sheet.
5. yell "BUTT CLEATING" as the crew is standing on the snuffer line while pulling.
6. realize the spin is not being snuffed because:
a) the halyard auto cleated
b) someone is standing on the snuffer line again
c) the darn thing is hung up on the hoop
d) the line has kinkied and isn't running through the block
e) you have already run over the thing
f) skipper drives into the wind wondering if yet another daggerboard broke
7) have the crew invariably crawl up the bows to release kite from under boat
8) finally get the spin in the bag
9) decide to call it a day because the crew is suffering heat stroke from pulling on the lines/crawling on the bows/ getting yelled at by the skipper.
10) do it all over again in a vain attempt to "get it right"

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: PTP] #83124
08/22/06 08:57 AM
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9) decide to call it a day because the crew is suffering heat stroke from pulling on the lines/crawling on the bows/ getting yelled at by the skipper.


It's always the crews fault!

That's what I tell my crew.

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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: tback] #83125
08/22/06 09:02 AM
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Me n you T! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: tback] #83126
08/22/06 09:05 AM
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it isn't always the crews fault <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I want my crew to be as involved in tactics/planning as I am. It is so much more fun when it is a collaborative effort

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: PTP] #83127
08/22/06 09:15 AM
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You missed the irony, there - two single-hand skippers are blaming their crew. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: John Williams] #83128
08/22/06 10:10 AM
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<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: spin takedown steps [Re: fin.] #83129
08/22/06 10:22 AM
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Regardless, in any situation it's always the crew's fault! Like, "Why did you let me come to this regatta?" "Why didn't you tell me it was gusting to 40?" "Why did you get me that 10th beer??" "Why didn't you drive home?" "Why did you tell that cop I could kick his butt??" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: Timbo] #83130
08/22/06 11:18 AM
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Tim, you up for Wildcat? Maybe we could steal one of FoN's extra N20....


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Re: spin takedown steps [Re: John Williams] #83131
08/22/06 02:01 PM
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You missed the irony, there - two single-hand skippers are blaming their crew. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


yeah, missed that one. damn it... I work too much <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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