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Re: Taipan Mainsail [Re: warbird] #84954
09/24/06 07:50 AM
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With boats, you can't look at a single design parameter, like jib foot length, as a decision on its own, you have to look at the influence on the whole boat.

For example, for an AC boat, jib foot length would be a function of mast base position, mast strength (how much compression can the mast handle which primarily comes from forestay tension, which you don't want to sag too much otherwise the jib won't set and you can't point), hull strength, hull beam (which affects the slot significantly), overall helm balance (which is affected by the underwater body, appendages and sail distribution, vessel trim, heel)...and the list goes on!!! Design decisions like that feed into other design decisions which feedback into the original design idea.

Most of these interactions are very difficult to compute so plenty of on-water training and development is required once a good baseline boat has been developed from experience, good rules of thumb and functional engineering/scientific analysis.

Yeah, you're right, it is a bit like alchemy.

One way to overcome this mess of a design problem is to use tools called genetic algorithms with some velocity prediction programs and race prediction programs (with typical encountered weather as input) to evaluate potentially thousands of design modifications somewhat automatically.

It's a pretty cool concept, a mate of mine wrote a basic evolutionary program to see how two different coloured lines of pixels would interract. Funny to watch them grow/breed and die.

These tools are probably beyond the capabilities of mere mortals, we will just have to stick to experience, gut instinct and practice.

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Re: Taipan Mainsail [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #84955
09/24/06 06:48 PM
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How is the T scene in NZ..... Worlds coming up are exciting.


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Re: Taipan Mainsail [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #84956
09/24/06 07:44 PM
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I am not up with the play at present but can ask. "Tornado Tommy" (nat champ and he was not the guys who said the jib was so fast)runs his boats up here and I run into him.
What do you want me to ask when I see him?
Also, a couple of "race Tornadoes' have come up on a site here called Trade-Me.co.nz.
Might be worth checking sometimes.

I am going to show my ignorance now because I find the setting of a boat just as exciting and challening for the reach as up/down wind so why does no one race it anymore?

Re: Taipan Mainsail [Re: warbird] #84957
09/24/06 10:01 PM
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Reaches went out of fashion because in a good fleet they tend to become a bit of a parade with few if any overtaking opportunities. Since then the boats have evolved to suit the W/L races so that they aren't as much fun on a reach as they used to be.

Re: Taipan Mainsail [Re: ] #84958
09/25/06 12:13 AM
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We just race around the islands and markers here so it all counts.
What about on the long distance races you guys talk about? Are the boats allowed to do alterations so reaches are working better?

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