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Polar Diagram for F16 #86845
10/17/06 10:23 AM
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Has anyone studied (and recorded) boat speed vs wind speed for various sailing angles (ie Polar Diagram).

I found the following thread which is many years old discussing the topic....any current info?

Previous Post -- Polar Diagram for Beachcats -- Circa 2002


Also located the following referencing Hobie 16, Tornado and 4 other boats dated back several years:

Polar Diagram of H16, Tornado and 4 others


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Re: Polar Diagram for F16 [Re: tback] #86846
10/17/06 11:37 AM
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oh no! This is going to get painfull! ahahahahha

Re: Polar Diagram for F16 [Re: tback] #86847
10/17/06 06:11 PM
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We have been collecting GPS data for the last couple of races and displaying it overlayed on google earth. Very informative. You can see the influence of nearby land, how slow you are out of tacks/mark roundings, general tendencies in wind shifts(not entirely accurate).

If you have a GPS onboard, there are some pretty cheap ones available now with count-down timers etc, you can upload the raw data to GPS Visualizer and it will process the data and give you a download for a google earth file. You can colour code it to speed for a better representation. Only problem with it I have found is that if there is useless data in your track file, it is difficult to remove in google earth, best to use your GPS software to cull bad data first.

Don't fall into the trap of using your GPS to keep track of your progress during the race, keep your eyes out of the boat and on the wind and water, it is faster. Also, my understanding is that having a GPS onboard is not allowed under the current dinghy racing rules so only use it if you are prepared to be protested and disqualified.

I've added an example screenshot from Google Earth. Magenta is fast, blue is medium, green/yellow is slow. With a few assumptions, you can bisect the tacking/gybing angles to get wind direction and heading angles and being general with the wind speed can give you VMG. Analyse enough of these with different setups and relative headings and you can develop a basic polar plot.

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Re: Polar Diagram for F16 [Re: ncik] #86848
10/17/06 06:42 PM
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Ncik, wow that is way cool man! Thanks for that link.

Re: Polar Diagram for F16 [Re: Robi] #86849
10/18/06 05:21 AM
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Be careful, surface currents can really impact on your track and speeds.

Wouter


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Re: Polar Diagram for F16 [Re: Wouter] #86850
10/18/06 05:45 PM
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True.


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