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#87954 11/03/06 02:25 PM 11/03/06 02:25 PM |
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Posts: 503 | my thoughts on how I propose to do are as follows, so if anyone see's a problem with this method, I would like to have your thoughts as to why there could potentially be a problem, as well any solutions or recomendations you have.
Problem #1: The race is on U18's, not on catamarans. Im already bored. | | | Re: worrell 1000 Question?
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#87955 11/03/06 03:11 PM 11/03/06 03:11 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | It would be nice if Rick and Mary where to collectively write a full narrative on this subject and have a permanent record of this once classic event on this site.
The good, the bad man, and the ugly truth. I have a file drawer filled with the chronicles of all of the most recent series of Worrell 1000's. But, the only person who knows the truth about the demise of this event is Mike Worrell. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I have several theories about this, but not one of them includes Mike Worrell deliberately trying to defraud people or destroy the race that he loved so much. | | | Re: worrell 1000 Question?
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#87956 11/03/06 03:13 PM 11/03/06 03:13 PM |
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Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM | Jake said: Sail2007,
I'm being perfectly honest here - but I'm unable to locate your actual name or anyone's name with this organization on your website. Even if I had the interest and/or the money there is very little chance I would put it up entrusting an organization that is so clouded. For all we know, you could be a person that has had legal issues with something like this in the past or, heaven forbid, this could even be a scam. Before I sent anyone $2800 I would certainly want to know who was behind it and what reputation they have.
The fact that nearly $250,000 is expected and the website for the event is hosted on a free and public Geocities account leads me down the road of further concern since nobody's real name need be associated with the domain registration. For that level of sport, one would at least expect that the event would have it's own domain name.
You're asking for a lot of faith from your competitors. And than Hobie1616 Said: So, how much is the “vig?”
How much of the entry fee goes towards expenses?
What’s your cut?
Have you done any forecasting on what the expenses will be?
Do you have an organization in place to execute the pre-sail, sail and post-sail activities?
Who are you? When talking about $234,000 of other people’s money you’d be much more believable if you could spell entrance, ensure, entrant, comfortable, ensuring and entrants. Did you ever live in B.C. and were involved in Australian imports?
And I was ready to send in my entry fee <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#87958 11/03/06 03:51 PM 11/03/06 03:51 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Okay, I finally found the web site for the race. Yes, it is for monohulls. So let them be gullible.
If there is prize money, it should come from sponsors, not from the participants. | | | Re: worrell 1000 Question?
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#87962 11/03/06 07:36 PM 11/03/06 07:36 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | I have several theories about this, but not one of them includes Mike Worrell deliberately trying to defraud people or destroy the race that he loved so much. Not to beat a really dead and rotting horse, but I have to agree with Mary. The theory that MW would purposly scam a bunch of sailors out of maybe, $150,000 and in the course of doing this destroy the race he started 20 years ago, kill off his main source of income and simultaniously destroy his family name is preposterous. Do other details really matter? The overall picture is pretty clear: Mike Worrell screwed up, found himself without the funds to put on the event or repay the competitors or other debtors, then compounded the problem by unilaterally (the way he did everything) pulling the plug just days before the start. Not long ago Mike contacted me and wanted me to write a story about a comback he was planning (and wanted final editing rights to the story, which I would not give him). He wouldn't provide clear details, but the implication was it involved a Hollywood-based television producer and a reality TV show. Obviously this never got off the ground.
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#87964 11/04/06 01:58 AM 11/04/06 01:58 AM |
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Posts: 65 east coast canada | rolf thanks I enjoyed what you wrote here on the lower half of your post.
I have placed alot of thought when designing the race, as to tring to make it as fair as possible to multiple skill levels, the testosterone levels etc. such as corporations entering so called dream teams etc. as well professionals entering and trying to dominate the event etc.
Trying to make it basic here but in short: the Corporations, all race against one another the Pro's if any enter, all race against each other there are 2 of the series set aside to accomodate this. then everyone else, all the rest...
Now yes, the best from each series will go on and eventually meet that pro-team or that dream team, but my thoughts on this is that by that point they should all be of the same caliber of sailor. For me personally, I would love to win my series, inturn racing against a known great, what a win it would be, or atleast, I hope that I would make good competion anyways.
I also understand your points on the volvo race etc. sponsored by the lets say, the big leagues. Its one of the reasons for planning this one out. The best way to answer you on this one, simply is go and try and get in on one. It simply does not happen. Not to mention the boat and where it come from?
The resentment is also a large one, this one I cannot control. So all I can do on this, is state that a person should expect to loose or that its not a race to place your mortgage on. Its a high stakes event, that if you do not win 1,2,3 in your series than you've just lost a big chunk of change.
Thanks for you good input.. | | | Re: worrell 1000 Question?
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#87970 11/04/06 02:41 AM 11/04/06 02:41 AM |
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Posts: 65 east coast canada | How much of the entry fee goes towards expenses? all money over and above the prize money is slated towards the expense factors, as well the unforseen factors.
What’s your cut? This I would suppose would simply be anything left, if at all after all prize payouts and all other associated costs are paid, following the event.
Have you done any forecasting on what the expenses will be? The answer is to this is simply yes & its alot. Do you have an organization in place to execute the pre-sail, sail and post-sail activities? Again Yes, several for each series, on each day, more info will be on the new site as to exactly who, but what is important at this time is "participants", that are interested in actually attending the event. If those numbers are not there than neither is the event. Again the reason no money is asked for, No not even the deposit, simply those who would attend. Who are you? When talking about $234,000 of other people’s money you’d be much more believable if you could spell entrance, ensure, entrant, comfortable, ensuring and entrants. Did you ever live in B.C. and were involved in Australian imports? lol, why are some people so big on spelling, its only a thread not a contract. if U think this is bad spellin, u should c me in a chat session. I am only tring to respond quickly to posts here. As for BC yes, Austrailian imports No, and nothing wrong with an aussie....good people rank right up there with newfoundlander's | | | Re: worrell 1000 Question?
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#87973 11/04/06 03:09 AM 11/04/06 03:09 AM |
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Posts: 65 east coast canada | Sounds like an obvious scam to me. Catamaran sailors must have a reputation for gullibility. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Pretty quick in Judgement don't you think! you stated obvious scam? I find this interesting considering that I was only asking for knowledge of the worrell 1000, followed buy a request for input, as to how enterence fee's could be collected and protected for the racer. As well any ideas or contributions others had, to make this event better etc. | | |
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