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Re: Corporate Challenge Details [Re: Mary] #89045
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Mark,
I was not being critical of your rules -- I meant my question very literally.


Yes I know that was my reason for explaining it, If big business enters that series, they can recoup their investment, help a charitable organization, or give back to the employees at ground level, who work so hard to make that Corporation a success. In the end everyone is to benefit from it. I think this to be a good rule.

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Mark,
How much is a spinnaker going to cost for the corporate entrants?

Are you going to require all 12 to be made by the same loft? Do you know what loft you are going to use?

And at the end of the season, does the corporate sponsor of the spinnaker get the spinnaker back, or does the owner of the Ultimate 20 that it was used on get to keep the spinnaker -- part of the payback for use of his boat?

Or do you keep the spinnakers for use in the next regatta?

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Mark,
I was not being critical of your rules -- I meant my question very literally.


Yes I know that was my reason for explaining it, If big business enters that series, they can recoup their investment, help a charitable organization, or give back to the employees at ground level, who work so hard to make that Corporation a success. In the end everyone is to benefit from it. I think this to be a good rule.


Yes, you already explained the WHY of that rule. What I still don't understand is the HOW of it. How do you enforce a rule like that? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Seriously now - I really don't want to talk down to someone who wants to further the sport but I'm having a really difficult time reading the intentions of this event. The "My race, my rules" comment is brash and bordering on juvenile. It makes me wonder of what maturity the person is that is trying to put this race together and why...but I'll try to be constructive.

To better understand what you are trying to accomplish - WHY are you trying to put this event together?

A couple more comments:

+I think competing in a cash event and organizing it are 100% in conflict

+The suggestion to have an escrow company handle the funds is a good one. Do so with a defined committee and bylaws is the only way to handle people's money and ensure a degree of fairness to those people. The escrow company basically handles the issuing of funds based on a set of rules and requirements that both parties agree on (a contract). If one person in the contract fails to meet their obligations usually an alternate resolution would likely be predefined. You can draw up a contract that says the organizing body gets 10% of the race funds or a set figure or whatever...you can also guarantee that if a certain number of entrants aren't received by a certain date that the entire entry fee will be returned in full or in a certain percentage. The escrow company actually handles the funds and acts as an unconflicted 3rd party.

"My race, my rules" is a great way to ensure that you are racing alone.


I understand what is being said here on the escrow method of setup, everything stated as to a secure safe third party, I agree, as that based on everyone's feedback here is exactly what will be done, as stated already in the method I proposed in my first post above. The only difference is the unconflicted 3rd party is a Bank not a Business. complete with the contract that you speak of, in the same manner you speak of. The Bank will be that 3rd disinterested party.

"My race, my rules" I need to explain this as you are right here, and it has been taken the wrong way,it was not directed towards the person I was responding to in the posts. My meaning on it was that if a Corporation decides to enter they will have to follow the prescribed rules in that manner, that when entering they will not be doing so for a means of direct company profit from any winnings.

By doing so their gains of profit, will come indirectly from advertising,any media coverage, Corporate image, and that a happy employee is a more productive one, which in the end results in the sought after increased business profits.

My Race My Rules, was directed at the Corporations, its a good rule.

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Yeah, but as I keep asking, HOW do you enforce a rule like that? Are you not going to give them the prize money until you know exactly where it is going and have some way of making sure it goes there? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Mark,
I was not being critical of your rules -- I meant my question very literally.


Yes I know that was my reason for explaining it, If big business enters that series, they can recoup their investment, help a charitable organization, or give back to the employees at ground level, who work so hard to make that Corporation a success. In the end everyone is to benefit from it. I think this to be a good rule.


Yes, you already explained the WHY of that rule. What I still don't understand is the HOW of it. How do you enforce a rule like that? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


Sorry Mary, I didn't get the how part of the question.

Upon a corporations entering the event on filing their documents, paperwork etc. They will need to also fill out the manner or where the cheques will go in the event they win prize money, in the form of a percentage.

Example:

Corporate series winnings: 100% allocated to recoup costs 1st,2cnd or 3rd place. In this the Bank holding in trust these funds would release to the Named corporation the applicable amount.

Challenger & Defender winnings:
20% Recoup Reciepts supplied
40% Team
40% heart & Lung Foundation
The Bank Trustee awards to the designated recipients these amounts on behalf of the corporation.

Challenger Vs. Defender winnings:
10% team
50% Brest Cancer Society
40% New Employee Fitness Center
Again the trustee of fund for the Bank will release to the designated parties these amounts, on behalf of the Corporation.

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Yeah, but as I keep asking, HOW do you enforce a rule like that? Are you not going to give them the prize money until you know exactly where it is going and have some way of making sure it goes there? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
There must have been an amendment to Sarbaines-Oxley that extends it to regatta accounting. Can FASB be far behind? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Corporate Challenge Details [Re: Mary] #89052
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Mark,
How much is a spinnaker going to cost for the corporate entrants?

Are you going to require all 12 to be made by the same loft? Do you know what loft you are going to use?

And at the end of the season, does the corporate sponsor of the spinnaker get the spinnaker back, or does the owner of the Ultimate 20 that it was used on get to keep the spinnaker -- part of the payback for use of his boat?

Or do you keep the spinnakers for use in the next regatta?


All great questions here Mary, I would love to pull out that page for you on it, and post those numbers on costs for you, but I do not currently have this information on hand, I am still awaiting these costs.

I will however answer as much on this as I can excluding those amounts.

The sails all have to follow the class rules and specifications, for this someone else specific to this will handle when that time comes. They will all be ordered from the same place.

The sponsor does not get the sail, they are stored for future events.

part of the payback for use of his boat? I cannot go into these details on this, I will when I can. I know inquiry minds wish to know, and I know I am opening myself here up to attack. But its facts you want, and fact that I wish to give. Allow me that time to attain these facts.

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I just don't get it. I guess my brest of knowledge is just not big eough. Best of luck anyway.

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I just don't get it. I guess my brest of knowledge is just not big eough. Best of luck anyway.


Thank you for wishing me luck, your brest of knowledge is good, I just need to fully understand what it is that you are asking, when you ask <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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I assumed that, since the boats are not being donated for the event by the manufacturer, you will be paying charter fees to the owners of the boats.

For that matter, I would think the boat owners would want to sail in the event, too.

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I assumed that, since the boats are not being donated for the event by the manufacturer, you will be paying charter fees to the owners of the boats.

For that matter, I would think the boat owners would want to sail in the event, too.


Good morning,
Yes Mary, your assumption is correct on this, the particulars on this are currently being drawn up with various options for the owners to make selection from.
An option has also been provided for on owner participation, should they wish too.

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