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Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: macca] #89349
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Macca,

Now that you know the characteristics of the mast, should it not be quite simple for CST to make a new mast with the correct stiffness (and bend characteristics) for a Taipan 5.7?

Stein

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Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Stein] #89350
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Scott Anderson who makes the Fiberfoam A Class masts built this mast.


Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: macca] #89351
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I am owning one of the few F18s which were derived from the Taipan 5.7. Although I reduced the weight as much as possible (I am not participating in F18 regattas), I am obviously not able to reach the approx. 140kg the original boat had. Therefore, I am always curious how a standard 5.7 might perform, not to mention the Super Taipan.
You might add me to your list of prospects.

Regarding regattas: You might consider Fehmarn Rund (around the island Fehmarn / Baltic Sea) which was this year in August - the date for 2007 is not fixed yet. An alternative is Travemünder Woche (close to Lübeck / Baltic Sea) which is in July, but I am not sure if there is a open catamarans class.


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Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #89352
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Do you mean that a carbon Taipan 5.7/Super Taipan mast may be purchased from Fiberform, Austria?
CST presents the Super Taipan on their website.

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Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Stein] #89353
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The Super Taipan is not a class as advertised on the CST website..... It is a one off special...... A bastardised 5.7 (Very well done too). Futhermore I believe the only CST stuff on the boat are the tiller extension / cross bar, boom and spinnaker pole.

I have skippered this boat and it is [email]F@#kin[/email] quick and very smooth. True Tornado beater


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Do you mean that a carbon Taipan 5.7/Super Taipan mast may be purchased from Fiberform, Austria?


Not an off the shelf item, but I believe Scottie can make one up if you like


Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #89355
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I know what I want for christmas dad...

Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #89356
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May I ask who or what CST is?


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Highly relevant question:
"CST Composites design and manufacture a full range of filament wound carbon fiber tubing."

Check out:
http://www.cstcomposites.com/Super%20Taipan.htm

Stein

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It seems that Scott Anderson/Fiberfoam did not make the Super Taipan mast. But they make a carbon mast profile which is very close to the Taipan 5.7/Capricorn mast (160*74 mm, up to 10 m length).

Did CST make your mast, Macca?

Stein

Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Stein] #89359
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Hmmm, it sounds like you are thinking seriously on doing an upgrade Stein? Going Tornado hunting? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I dont remember, but when Macca widened his 5.7, was a longer mast put on the boat?

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When one starts upgrading, it is tempting to go all the way. A carbon mast seems tempting, but the aluminium mast on the Taipan 5.7 is already very good (= Capricorn mast).
My recollection is that Macca's Super Taipan has added 1 m to the mast length (ca 10.5 m) and ca 0.5 m to the platform width.
Going for the complete Tornado-killer setup means mast, new sails, new beams, and new trampoline, and is too expensive for our happy amateur sailing budget.

And to be boringly realistic: The Taipan 5.7 is alrady a very fast boat, and for us there is much more to be gained from practising sailing it than rebuilding it.

Stein

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And to be boringly realistic: The Taipan 5.7 is alrady a very fast boat, and for us there is much more to be gained from practising sailing it than rebuilding it.



Isn't that they way it usually is.. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
But seriously, if you are mostly underpowered when sailing, upgrading the mast might be fun.
Now when Geir Magnus is in Trondhjem most of the year, an F-16 might be a better investment for you (shameless plug)

Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #89362
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I see you have started recruiting people to the "dark side" already before finishing your own F16, Rolf... Leave my dad alone, he is going Tornado-huntin' with me!! Period! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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You and your father are already on the dark path of catamaran sailing so there is no redemption for you. But perhaps you are saying that there is an even darker path to follow? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


You know where to find both Frode, me and the Tornado <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Stein] #89364
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It seems that Scott Anderson/Fiberfoam did not make the Super Taipan mast. But they make a carbon mast profile which is very close to the Taipan 5.7/Capricorn mast (160*74 mm, up to 10 m length).

Did CST make your mast, Macca?

Stein


Macca will be back from Thailand soon and can answer himself, however I can tell you CST DID NOT make that mast, and I don't believe they are tooled up to make any wing masts. The produce round carbon tube used in spinnaker poles, booms, tiller extensions and Skiff masts.

Once again Macca can confirm but I believe this mast was a one off special built by Scotty for Greg Goodall to see how the 5.7 would perform with one. The mast is the same profile as a 5.7 and Capricorn but longer. Macca bought the platform, foils and carbon mast only off AHPC and then got Redhead Sails to make the sails and tramp, whilst CST provided spinnaker pole, boom tiller extension, tiller cross bar. M20 rudders were purchased, boatrite did some custom stainless work and alloy beams were purchased by ????


Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #89365
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Rolf,
When we bought the Taipan 5.7, we had a hard time deciding between the 4.9 (which turns into a F16) or the 5.7. We are very happy with the characteristics of the 5.7.
You are of course right that with JIMI studying in Trondheim, less sailing will be done with my preferred sailing partner, and that may churn up dreams of a boat that may be sailed single-handedly. Namely a F16.

With the 5.7, being underpowered is not a problem, after all the boat was designed for crews >150 kg, and we are 145. So I think a 1 m taller mast requires widening the platform.
Stein

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Thank you for info!
It all goes to show what a pity the Taipan 5.7 was not developed as a class. With 140 kg weight all up with aluminium beams and mast (no carbon anywhere), this is a superior alternative to the 190 kg F20 class. It shows that weight limits of 180 kg for the F18 and 190 kg for the F20 classes are unnecessary anachronisms in our time (due to dominant companies Hobie and Nacra are building heavy boats).

Maybe a new F20 class with min weight 140 kg, max mast height 9.5 m, max width 2.60 m would be an excellent alternative for heavier sailors? And actually a good alternative to the 180 kg F18.

Stein

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Ok, I am still in Thailand... big party after we won the Kings Cup regatta <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The mast on the Super Taipan is the same section as the 5.7 and Capricorn, it is the same length as the 5.7.

The mast was amde by Applied composites in Melbourne. It is pretty light but not as light as my Marstrom Tornado Mast.

I don't think the boat needs a taller mast, but If I made another one (will do if Super Taipan sells) I would make the hulls 20ft long and platform 10ft wide. Masr would be about 1m longer. would try to get weight down to 105kgs.


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Re: Super Taipan to Europe?? [Re: macca] #89368
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And I'd sign up to buy one....


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