Hobie Mike, I allways go out of my way to help all and any sailors free, I have been a Hobie sailor for over 25 years, you frankston sailors have a great setup, if we relied on tigers we would never get value for the buck here in NSW so the F18 works great, the tiger and f18 thing is great and we are trying to make it better, with little or no help from any of the manufactures, its working its hard long and free!!! last year the club we sail from had 1 capricorn this year we have 4 capricorns 1 nacra and 4 tigers maybe 5 so as you can see that 9 to 10 boats all in one year. The Hobie way of life is nothing to with the boat your on. yes I plain to be on a 16 for the next worlds.