The boat had its first outing in Marseille and looks gorgeous. Unfortunately there are no detailed pictures yet other than these here http://www.messmer-seiler.ch/scheurer/
The conditions in Marseille were difficult, but it showed enough potential in its first race (untuned) to generate alot of interest (and orders) from some top sailors.

Regards

Daniel

Now, THAT's NICE! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm almost afraid to ask, how much?

I have been told that it costs "ready to sail" from US$ 19850 (from the boat yard in Switzerland) depending on how you want it finished. That could vary slightly.

Regards

D

So many boats, so little time! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

There is a new development linked to this A-cat.

Here a quote from the CQ (cat quarterly) magazine :


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The new design makes use of the new revolutionary material Tilinium. The name is a combination of "Titanium" and "Aluminium". It combines the better proporties of these materials with some that are normally associated with carbon fibres.

Because of the mix, Tilinium has three times the "strength to weight ratio" of aluminium and betters carbon laminate by about 50 %. It is more resistant to corrosion and degradation then the other named materials. It also has an extremely good fatigue resistance. The aluminium part allows this material to be extruded, with the titanium compound adding stiffness and strength and allowing a thinner wall thicknesses.

However none of these properties is actually the reason for its use in this new design. The properties that were of interest were actually the fact that this new and very exclusive material is now seen as far more fashionable then carbon laminate, something that is amplified by the fact that it is even MORE expensive as carbon laminate.

The builder feels that these selling points give him an undeniable advantage over the competition in a cat scene were the use of laminates like carbon and kevlar has become quite ordinary. Stock traders and .com millionairs are increasingly unwilling to invest 20.000 in a product that doesn't "Ooooh" and "Aaahh" the lesser fortunate sailors on the beach anymore. The builder expects this new material to quickly replace carbon laminate as the supreme false idol of modern cat sailors while its high cost will keep it well out of reach of the lesser designs like the FAD boats.


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<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wouter <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


(You have to do without me for the coming days, I've gone fishing !)

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Wouter has a sense of humor!! "... false idol" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

"CQ (cat quarterly)"

What is that, and where can I get it?

Part of a group of materials known in engineering circles as unobtanium, usually a mythical material with some or all properties that make it superior to other materials. However it can rarely be sourced or used practically.

Or more normaly a commonly used material given a new name to make it sound like it belongs to the group of materials known as unobtanium.

Does the article say what they use it for?

Gareth

Are we being spoofed? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I googled for "tilinium" and the only reference I could find was



A description of an episode of a Science fiction show called Battlestar Galactica
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

No, no. Cat Quarterly's genuine: http://flickr.com/photos/kywoody/73425361/

Can't believe you guys don't read it.

Paul

"To tilt or not to tilt".. How apt <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

GOT ME!!

Since we are on the topic of metal,

Anybody heard of 'AlBeMet' metal?

A combi of Aluminum and Beryllium? Stong and not heavy!? I am trying to get more info. I don't think Ive been 'had' here...

You're not looking very hard:


Brush Wellman Beryllium Products

Get your wallet out.

Well engineers have already succeeded at marrying aluminium and ceramics into a new material called glare. So why shouldn't it be possible ?

Wouter

Be careful of the toxicity of an aluminum/beryllium alloy. Be sure to get a materials data sheet for that type of alloy. Different alloys have different levels of toxicity but I am guessing that one will require special precautions to cut or grind.

As an alternative take a look at aluminum matrix metals, M2 for example.

In general be real careful with exotic materials or materials not commonly used in manufacturing. In many cases there is a good reason they are not used.

I hate to keep saying this over and over but you only have to sit and wait for the medical people to go over the instrument reading trying to decide if you are going to die or not to be very respectful of the concept of toxic materials.

Carl, are you speaking about a experience you made yourself? Would you share the story, to drive the lesson home?
Myself, I have been to lax around WEST epoxy and sandpaper, but nothing a decent respirator dont stop..

I have experience with aluminium impregnated with carbon fibres, this is also used for the gudgeon pins of Nascars, I believe its just been banned from F1.

Same weight as Al, same stiffness as steel.

Gareth