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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: fin.] #93718
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Yes, that and there is even a Trimaran kit offered by Chesapeake Light Craft http://www.clcboats.com but I think the ama's are much too small. I would use a 20 foot 3 holer for the middle, then use two 16 footers for the amas, tie the whole mess together with 20 foot carbon fiber beams, put up an A cat carbon mast with a spinnaker of course! That would be one haul-butt kayak! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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Kayak tris [Re: Timbo] #93719
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Tim, paddling that beast would be a handful, especially solo <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
If you want a craft like that, I think it would be better to build a proper trimaran and install oars or a pedal driven propeller (or the Hobie Mirage system [look, positive writing about an U.S invention <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ]). Kayaks are not designed for sailing, so both shape and structure of the hulls need redesigning. A 20 foot wide trimaran have a lot of righting moment, I doubt an A-cat mast would be up to the loads. Neither would the hulls be once you install centerboards etc.

I read an article about a guy in the US designing and building 20 foot performance tris. X-5 was the name of the boat in the article, looked very sporty and fast, a pure sailing machine, but very possible to adapt a set of pedals for conversion to a human powered vessel. If you really are interested, I can leaf trough my collection of magazines and see if I can find it.




To try and get back on topic for the thread. It would be interesting to know wether the ply 4.9s have gained weight over time. A russian Tornado sailor told me they were replacing their wood tornados becouse they gained weight even if they were stored indoors during winter (this was in Siberia).

Re: Kayak tris [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #93720
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Thanks Rolf. I will google the X-5 and see what I can find. I'm not going to build one though! Too much time and money required. Maybe when I retire...


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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: Wouter] #93721
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Hi All

Went down for a look today, unfortunately the series is not being held in the best conditions. Theres been hardly a breath of wind until 4pm, and then a scramble to get a race or two in. Apart from only one race where the breeze held on, all the days have been very similiar, with light and very shifty breeze.

I wasn't able to get out for some action shots unfortunately, but took a few photos of the boats on the beach and few general tech photos for myself.

Oh. And Gary your right, I wouldn't go back either, that beach is too much hard work!

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93722
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Another beach shot

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93723
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Noel Grellets Timber Taipan, Sail No 003, VENOM

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93724
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Unusual colour, and Timber.

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93725
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Finally ready to head for the start line.

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93726
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Theres a few more I can post, but I'm going to bed now, its been a long day, original plan was to stay the night, but wife couldn't get the time off.

I will shrink them down a bit and post tomorrow.


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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93727
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The purple boat was one of 4 timber boats built around the same time from the same jig in about 1998. She has won at least 2 national titles (one with Ashby on board) from memory. One of its sisters also picked a nationals in a windy series in 2000.

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Heres another of Noels VENOM

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93729
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One of the Capricorns (Sorry about having to turn your head, I did rotate them through the camera software, but still on the side when resized on another program)

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93730
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Hi All

I just wrote a pretty long post with lots of different information and lost my server at the wrong moment, I'm typing it all again, but I'll break it down. Some won't be interested in some of this but it general observation and conversation on the beach.

Dennis and Noel are both using StaMaster adjusters on their forestays as well as the shrouds, not that it probably matters just an observation.

There was a fair split of Goodall and Ashby Sails as well as others, Goodall seem to have the majority of the cat rigs and Ashby the sloops.

There were only 3 or 4 timber boats, but I'm told theres another 4 being put together now and should be ready for the Victorian State Titles.

Speaking of which, The Vic Titles were to be held at the Port Melbourne Yacht Club, however this has changed, the likely location to be Yarrawonga on the Anzac weekend.

All boats, except two, carried Proctor spreaders.

Most had the first series of rod push down rudders and about half a dozen had the latest push downs.

Noels boat was the only one there with the original centreboards (13 inch wide).

Dennis Bakers boat has the deck sweeper mast rotation arm, which I'm also going to incorporate, others had similiar setups but with IMO big ugly looking carbon wings instead of the single stainless arm.

Theres was talk of some people wanting to phase out the lightweight cat masts, because it seems to be what the winners carry, but you can't but them anymore, so surely they are already being phased out. I believe I bought the last one from a fella, that bought a spare section before the discontinued them.

I noticed quite a few A Class in the Yacht Club yard, were using a Ronstan shroud adjuster that has fine adjustment, retailing for around $28 here, a cheaper alternative to the StaMasters.

Recieved my Carbon Fibre spreaders from CST composites the other day, am now custom making a collar for the mast, the adjusters included with the spreaders are not long enough for the wing masts, so I've ordered proctor adjusters for a bit more length.

The breeze here at home seems a little stronger than yesterday, so they might not have to spend the day waiting on the beach.

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93731
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Hi Matt,

it's not just the sand on the beach that is hard work, it's hard work on the water as well <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />, particularly when winds are light. Arthurs seat (hill close by) sucks <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />.

Mind you the 125 dinghies holding Nats at Paynesville are also having trouble <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />, winds up to 30kts every day bar one so far. They have been starting at 8.30 am to get races in before the wind. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Regards Gary.


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Hi all,

final result are up, in the sloop rigs first 3 are glass boats not sure about others. Both 1st. and 3rd. normaly sail with kite so going without hasn't slowed them down much <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Would be great to see them sailing in Zandoort, but I don't like the chances <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know the cat rig winner, second place is Dennis(multiple Nats winner)which is one of the newer boats carbon rudders etc. same as second in sloops.

Well done to all <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: stillbitten] #93733
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Hi All

Gary, First in the cat rig is George Hooper, he sails out of Port Melbourne, told me earlier last year (2006) that he was going to give it one last, all mighty effort to knock Dennis and Noel off the top. Job Done.

The only timber sloop was Paul Campbells boat called, wait for it, 'Twice Bitten' <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />, But he didn't do to well, coming in last, but in all fairness its his first year as a sloop.

The other timber boats were Noel, The light purple coloured boat and I think there was another, but I didn't look at every boat.

Dennis boat was new for the Nationals last year, out of the newer mould (seam up the middle) Sail No 326.

Poor old Luke Donovan from Portland was running well early on, but even he will admit, light winds muck him up. So has to settle for 5th Again!.

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93734
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I note W Lyon on AUS93 won the cats. I have not heard of this guy. Is he relatively new to the class? A Victorian?

Young Goodall sailed a very consistent series given the conditions. Worst place was a dropped 5th. Yet, on aggregate he still finished 5th.

Once again an obviously high class, competitive series in both the cats and sloops. The sort of competition that Wouter and co. can only dream of.

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Thanks for posting again Phile, I wouldn't have looked again, I thought it was all over at the nine race mark.

Warwick Lyon has been floating around near the top for a couple of years, so good on him. George will be upset, pippd by Dennis again. Noel back in 4th.

I'll have to ring Luke Donovan again now and congratulate him on 6th, instead of my last message that said 5th. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: mattaipan] #93736
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Thanks for a excellent report. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Any larger pics available on the following?


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Dennis and Noel are both using StaMaster adjusters on their forestays as well as the shrouds, not that it probably matters just an observation.
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All boats, except two, carried Proctor spreaders.
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Most had the first series of rod push down rudders and about half a dozen had the latest push downs.
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Noels boat was the only one there with the original centreboards (13 inch wide).
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Dennis Bakers boat has the deck sweeper mast rotation arm, which I'm also going to incorporate, others had similiar setups but with IMO big ugly looking carbon wings instead of the single stainless arm.
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I noticed quite a few A Class in the Yacht Club yard, were using a Ronstan shroud adjuster that has fine adjustment, retailing for around $28 here, a cheaper alternative to the StaMasters.



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Re: Taipan Nationals 2006/2007 ; first results [Re: Buccaneer] #93737
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Hi All

These are the Ronstan sidestay adjusters as seen on several A Classes, Ronstan No RF2331, 17 adjustments in 4mm increments.

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