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Stars and Stripes Races Again #95732
01/11/07 10:12 PM
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Stars and Stripes the ULTIMATE in beach cats is back in action.

Check out this article in Southwinds Page 49 in the PDF Southwinds Magazine

What a great read!

Oh Yeah... it just did Ft Laurderdale to Key West in 8.5 hours!

Anyone know who the lucky crew is? We must know some of these guys!


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mark Schneider] #95733
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Great article.....no wonder the publication is free is 50% advertising.!!


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Marcus F16] #95734
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That boat is what got me thinking about cats. I saw a picture of it when I was ten of it launching off the back of a wave! I have loved cats ever since.


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: gree2056] #95735
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Yes, but what happened to that composite wing/sail with which it actually raced NZ for the Cup? That was the amazing thing to me...that the tall, thin, SOLID, "thing" would out-perform an actual sail.

I presume it broke and the subsequent owners couldn't afford to replace it, hence the traditional sloop rig.

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Stuart_Douglas] #95736
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I think this is the OTHER Stars & Stripes, the sister ship boat they used for training and practice racing, and it had a soft sail. I think the one that raced in the America's Cup is still out on the West Coast. It was being stored in San Diego, wasn't it, along with the wing sail?

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mary] #95737
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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mary] #95738
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Of course!...I'd forgotten about the 2nd boat.

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mark Schneider] #95739
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From XSRacing.com

Jan 11 2007 - 1052 PST - Lauderdale to Key West Race Update - After all these years Stars and Stripes, the 60 foot catamaran once owned by Dennis Conner and steeped in yacht racing history is still setting speed records. The 30 foot wide racer smashed the previously held multihull record of 13 hours 22 mins held by Brad Hallock in Surfing Safari in the 31th annual Fort Lauderdale to Key West Invitational Yacht Race by almost five hours. Stars and Stripes made the 160 mile trip in 8 hours and 31 mins. While co-skippers Steve and Scott Liebel waxed the fleet on elapsed time, they came in third on corrected behind Green Flash (Crowther/Calvert) and the winning boat Lightspeed (Lightspeed 32). Lightspeed which was skippered/owned by Hunt Stookey with famed sailor Randy Smythe riding along for good luck.


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: ejpoulsen] #95740
01/12/07 12:28 PM
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160 miles / 8 hours 31 minutes (approx 8.5 hours) = almost 19 mph...not bad at all. Didn't the huge French cat (Orange?) that set the new Atlantic crossing mark average something well into the 20 mph range?

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Stuart_Douglas] #95741
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Orange 2 averaged 27 knots (31 mph) during 4 days 8 hours when they shattered the atlantic record. They lost 6 to 8 hours due to a collision with an object that damaged the rudder so the record could have been even better.

/håkan

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Hakan Frojdh] #95742
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The Stars and stripes with the solid wing is probably one of the fastest course racer ever seen. It is really sad that the solid wing version is in pieces.

It would be interesting too se how it would sail against the latest orma tris, short course race in sheltered waters...

/håkan

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #95743
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Hey Alive

Were you Aussies pissed when Conners used the cat against the maxi boat of Fay ...

Were you a cat sailor back then???

I don't think it had much of an impact on the cat sailing world in the USA. Certainly no difference in the public's perception of catamarans.


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mark Schneider] #95744
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Uh, Mark - Michael Fay was from New Zealand.

Michael Fay

One year later, the Kiwis and Michael Fay surprised the Cup world again by challenging the San Diego Yacht Club with their immense monohull nicknamed the Big Boat KZ 1. This 'rogue challenge' relied on a literal interpretation of the Deed of Gift. The American response was swift and decisive: they built a small catamaran fitted with a hard wing sail, Stars and Stripes, that easily won the races on the water. However the result of the 1988 America's Cup would be determined in court. After a legal imbroglio New Zealand was awarded by the America's Cup, but it would be a short-lived victory. The Americans were finally awarded the Cup on appeal, but the whole affair was a difficult one for the event.

On the positive side, the 1988 mismatch allowed the emergence of a new class of boat, the International America's Cup Class. Michael Fay came back to San Diego in 1992 with the surprising New Zealand NZL-20, fitted with no rudder but with a tandem keel and a special bowsprit. The way the Kiwis used the bowsprit became the subject of a protest that changed the course of the Louis Vuitton Cup finals, allowing the Italian Il Moro di Venezia ITA-25 to snatch the momentum from the Kiwis and claim the series.

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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mark Schneider] #95745
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Hey Alive

Were you Aussies pissed when Conners used the cat against the maxi boat of Fay ...

Were you a cat sailor back then???

I don't think it had much of an impact on the cat sailing world in the USA. Certainly no difference in the public's perception of catamarans.

Not as pissed as the crowd down in New Zealand <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Aaagh, Matt beat me to it <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Hakan Frojdh] #95746
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The Stars and stripes with the solid wing is probably one of the fastest course racer ever seen. It is really sad that the solid wing version is in pieces.

It would be interesting too se how it would sail against the latest orma tris, short course race in sheltered waters...

/håkan


Quote on the SA forum - "Raced against them when fossett had it on a formula 40 tri-maran "running with scissors" they were a speck on the horizon after a couple of hours and we were doing low 20's."

That, of course, was the soft rig version. Agree it would be cool to see either of the S&S go up against the newer 60's. Although I'm guessing the one in Mexico may not fair so well...

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Keith] #95747
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Oops...

My excuse:
My brain is mush from reading the monster thread about NOTHING!... I can't believe I have read every stinking message!

The truth... clueless in Annapolis. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Mark Schneider] #95748
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Mark, I think Stars and Stripes victory by such huge margins, over the Fay boat, did have an effect in the states. Up until then, I never considered a catamaran as anything other than a toy for reaching fast but nothing more. My total exposure to cats at that time was limited to watching a few Hobie 16's poorly sailed in light air.

After I saw what a state of the art cat could do to a state of the art mono, twice it's size, I had to find out more about cats, which eventually led me out of racing mono's and onto cats. I hope it had the same effect on many other sailors who thought the same about cats.

And all those tri's setting records across the Atlantic back in the 80's helped push me in this direction too! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: Timbo] #95749
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During one of the post race press conferences one of Connor's crew was asked, "It looked like you could have beaten New Zealand with a Hobie 17." The crew guy said no way but the look on his face was the real answer.


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Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: hobie1616] #95750
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I believe there were three Stars and Stripes built for the trials and race. They had both the hard and soft sails. One ended up in West Maui, and was parked at Buzz's Warf. Think it was about 1995, and in much need of repair.

On another note, Hobie Cat, who helped out with the design and development, had a special addition H-17 and H-18 in 1989 that had the same colors, plus "Stars and Stripes" on the hull. My son Tom still his Stars and Stripes H-17 sail 144.

Caleb Tarleton

Re: Stars and Stripes Races Again [Re: H17cat] #95751
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I saw a Hobie 17 advertised that was the Stars and Stripes edition. At the time I was really looking into buying a 17 and almost bought it. But I didn't and looking back I am kinda glad.


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