Sorry, but I am getting a little incensed about this whole thing. Everybody is trying to figure out what to do to promote youth sailing, but a lot is already going on and very little is being done to promote it and let the kids know about what is available to them -- and let the parents know.
I myself just got the details two days ago about this year's U.S. Youth Multihull Championship, and I had to mention to people that there was no NOR or registration page at US Sailing for the event. And the event is only a month away!!
Yikes! Let's get some teams out there to Long Beach. They are going to have a clinic before the regatta to teach the kids how to use a spinnaker and to familiarize them with the SL 16.
Mary, we have two teams in training in Seattle. Peter, Jerry and Laura are training them on both the Hobie 16 and Tiger. All info including the NOR and Registration is now on the website, see http://www.ussailing.org/championships/youth/multihull/
Caleb Tarleton US SAILING Youth Multihull Champ. Comm.
We sue to giving free rode and tied it in with local charity, For $10 you got a ride and a T-Shirt and money went to charity. Shirts were donated. I also give rides on my Hobie 17 for the local Sea Scouts Program. What will happen to these 10 boats. Could they tour the country to be used to promote more youth sailing, as not all can make it to Calf. I started my grand daughter at 6 and she is quite a sailor now. Going to get helm time on the Mystere 4.3 this summer. We did to do ALL we can to get the youth on the boats. Once there MOST are hooked.
Yes, I said they now finally have the NOR at the US Sailing site, but they STILL don't have the registration going, as far as I can see, and the NOR says you are required to pre-register, which is why I gave Dan Delave's e-mail.
I'm glad to hear that you have a couple of teams training for the event. Do you think they will get 20 teams altogether? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Maybe Ashleigh could team up with somebody for the Nationals. I think there are grants available to cover expenses to get there. And usually the kids are put up in homes of people at the event site. Check it out.
School? Grades? Why did they decide to schedule a youth event during the school year? Anyone from the East coast who wishes to compete will have to miss at least 3 days of school if not more for travel etc. This is why my kids will not be there. Not to mention the fact that most kids up north are not sailing this time of year. I think you have a better chance for more participants if it is in the summer.
Also, this years event is not the qualifier for the ISAF youth Worlds. It is a qualifier for the SL 16 Gold Cup event in France.
No Problem getting participants. At this point the juniors that want to come should be poised at the computer for registration. We have already got over 10 teams contacting us with their interest.
I know that this may not be optimal for everyone. I was informed not long ago about hosting the event and it was hard to figure out where it could go in an already really busy schedule for our Yacht Club. The event in France is in the summer and the winner will need to make arrangements for their trip as well. This event is not a qualifier for ISAF it is for a great trip to France.
Sorry about school, sorry about weather up north, sorry about late notice, sorry about registration not up when you heard about the event...NOT sorry about having the event in Long Beach where the catamaran sailor numbers keep increasing. This will be fun for those involved. If you would like to come and help out maybe we can find a place for you.
School? Grades? Why did they decide to schedule a youth event during the school year? Anyone from the East coast who wishes to compete will have to miss at least 3 days of school if not more for travel etc. This is why my kids will not be there. Not to mention the fact that most kids up north are not sailing this time of year. I think you have a better chance for more participants if it is in the summer.
Also, this years event is not the qualifier for the ISAF youth Worlds. It is a qualifier for the SL 16 Gold Cup event in France.
Greg
I second what graybon is saying......I'm from the Northeast and yeah, it would be awesome to sail an SL16, but not in the middle of the school year...............
about getting youth into cats, I think that having kids who already sail spread the word to their friends, and encouraging them to bring others with them will help. I bring my friends sailing with me, and they love it!.......put ontop of that the fact that the club can supply the boats for them, and im sure that more kids will come. I dont think the problem is getting them to like cat sailing, thats the easy part, I think the problem is that parents don't want to buy a boat or trailer it around. (I know firsthand) Having club cats is a great idea, then you could just have a bunch of kids show up and race.
Anyways, I hope everyone has a great time out in Cali.......those SL16's look like a ton of fun. Good luck to everyone participating!
Last edited by Vinny_M; 01/27/0709:22 PM.
~vinny~
Re: Grow Youth Sailing..... Try Again
[Re: Vinny_M]
#95911 01/28/0710:38 AM01/28/0710:38 AM
Its winter and so I'm doing a bit of landyachting.
Today I test sailed a golden oldie that had been collecting dust in the shed. I had refitted it last weekend.
It is very similar to the Blokart, although this Stighter was made in the early 80's.
Wind blowing hard out on the beach and the surf was blown in far, washing over the firm plane that we use for landyachting.
I remembered that was a parking lot right behind the row of dunes and I decided to ride there instead. The dunes obstructed the wind significantly but still this oldie reached speeds up to 50-60 kph (30 knots). I put is down to the hard concrete surface. Bloody good fun.
So why am I saying this. Well I got thinking. A new blokart costs what ? In France (incl high EU taxation) a new blokart costs 2175 Euro's. In the USA (no taxes) this is what ? 2500 US$ ?
If the kids today are so hooked on speed and adrenaline rushes then this landyachting in parking lot much be the most promising way to get these kids sailing.
It is FAST, relatively inexpensive and you only need an abandonned parking lot and some wind. Only additional gear needed is a helmet and some common sense.
You don't want to run into a concrete wall at these speeds.
Later in the day I saw a family with blokarts and they had two-seaters where the parent drove with the kid in the next seat. Looked like a ball.
Maybe we are doing this all wrong. Maybe we need to get out of the water and get into landyachts and then when they get hooked on outdoor windsports bring them back into fast catsailing. For these kids will never ever consider slow monohulls after having done landyachting.
Like I said it is a wild idea but so much more practically, inexpensive and accessible. Even in waterless area's. And they are alot easier to home-build as well, if that is your thing
Congradulations to Jamie Livingston, for putting Niece Sarah Newberry on the helm, and mixing it up with the World Champion Tornado sailors at the 2007 Rolex Miami OCR. Sarah was the US SAILING Youth Multihull Champ last year, and is only 18. Too many sailor parents do not pass the helm to their children, and leave them as crew too long. Many then loose interest and are lost to the sport. My Son Tom took over as skipper on our Hobie 16 at age 15,and remained skipper on our Hobie 18, until we both switched to two Hobie 17's.
It is encouraging to see more familys taking this approach.
There should be plenty of charter boats available.
Yeah rhody, I'm definetly going to this years Nationals.....I'm not in that pic though (had to leave earlier), and its a relief to hear that charters will be plentiful. I just emailed Mark about that yesterday.
What Wouter was saying: Ive never been in a landkart, but after those videos, WOAH!, that would definetly convince a kid to never sail a mono again. Just make sure you dont scare them out of cat sailing too! Seems like a good idea though, but it seems like these would be easy to lose control in. Maybe not, but could be too reckless for some kids, and maybe too much for a parents nerves....?
~vinny~
Re: Grow Youth Sailing...It is time to pass the helm
[Re: H17cat]
#95915 01/28/0706:34 PM01/28/0706:34 PM
Congradulations to Jamie Livingston, for putting Niece Sarah Newberry on the helm, and mixing it up with the World Champion Tornado sailors at the 2007 Rolex Miami OCR. Sarah was the US SAILING Youth Multihull Champ last year, and is only 18. Too many sailor parents do not pass the helm to their children, and leave them as crew too long. Many then loose interest and are lost to the sport. My Son Tom took over as skipper on our Hobie 16 at age 15,and remained skipper on our Hobie 18, until we both switched to two Hobie 17's.
It is encouraging to see more familys taking this approach.
Caleb Tarleton
Ha, I guess that makes me lucky to have non-sailing parents, I dont have to worry about being a crew all of my life. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Sorry about school, sorry about weather up north, sorry about late notice, sorry about registration not up when you heard about the event...NOT sorry about having the event in Long Beach where the catamaran sailor numbers keep increasing. This will be fun for those involved. If you would like to come and help out maybe we can find a place for you.
Later, Dan
Don't be sorry Dan your there putting the effort in for the kids, then your knocked because it doesn't fit with some people. That sounds like a normal youth club we all know you would have picked the date out of a hat. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
Re: Grow Youth Sailing...It is time to pass the h
[Re: Vinny_M]
#95917 01/28/0707:13 PM01/28/0707:13 PM
Congradulations to Jamie Livingston, for putting Niece Sarah Newberry on the helm, and mixing it up with the World Champion Tornado sailors at the 2007 Rolex Miami OCR. Sarah was the US SAILING Youth Multihull Champ last year, and is only 18. Too many sailor parents do not pass the helm to their children, and leave them as crew too long. Many then loose interest and are lost to the sport. My Son Tom took over as skipper on our Hobie 16 at age 15,and remained skipper on our Hobie 18, until we both switched to two Hobie 17's.
It is encouraging to see more familys taking this approach.
Caleb Tarleton
Ha, I guess that makes me lucky to have non-sailing parents, I dont have to worry about being a crew all of my life. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Ummmmm...yeah...and we want to put kids on those - why exactly?
Well, because on all those video's the craft sustained no damage what so ever (and they're are not rotomolded rubber). And I can vouch for that too as I've done a few of those myself.
Secondly it looks alot worse then it really is. These craft don't pitchpole, don't tilt during the moose evation test or whatever. They only capsize sideways during a gusts if you don't sheet out and steer leeward. But then as you can see the capsizing itself is rather mild.
That movie clip of the Dutch Roll is actually a manouvre that I had never seen done before and in my experience is incredibally difficult to initiate. I would have said impossible but the video proofs otherwise. The reason for this, and I've been doing this for a couple of years, is that the craft so easily just makes a 360 without tipping over. It is like a go-kart in the way that it just skids around instead of heeling.
The guy in the Dutch roll is doing his very best to make the craft roll over like that. I wouldn't even know how to do that and that is the honest truth. I did had a fair amount of spin outs though. Very exiting to do a spin-out but also absolutely harmless.
Now I wouldn't put kids in class 5 or class 3 landyachts as with those craft you can just drive yourself to death. But then again these go 100-130 kph (60-80 mph) and accellerate to that speed within 5 to 6 seconds. But these blokarts are alot slower and the driver is well protected behind the frame. Especially if you are riding these craft in urban areas where you don't really get 30 knots of wind that you need to go faster then 60 kph (35 mph).
Hell, I've seen kids make larger and more mean crashes riding bicycles or riding skateboards. As a concept I would qualify especially the latter as more dangerous.
So yes, it looks exiting and it is exciting but it is far less dangerous (when sailing blokarts) then it may appear. As such it may just be what is needed for kids. It looks cool and dangerous but it really isn't so.
But as I said it is just a wild idea.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
Re: Grow Youth Sailing...It is time to pass the h
[Re: Wouter]
#95919 01/29/0705:43 AM01/29/0705:43 AM
Ummmmm...yeah...and we want to put kids on those - why exactly?
Well, because on all those video's the craft sustained no damage what so ever (and they're are not rotomolded rubber). And I can vouch for that too as I've done a few of those myself.
Secondly it looks alot worse then it really is. These craft don't pitchpole, don't tilt during the moose evation test or whatever. They only capsize sideways during a gusts if you don't sheet out and steer leeward. But then as you can see the capsizing itself is rather mild.
That movie clip of the Dutch Roll is actually a manouvre that I had never seen done before and in my experience is incredibally difficult to initiate. I would have said impossible but the video proofs otherwise. The reason for this, and I've been doing this for a couple of years, is that the craft so easily just makes a 360 without tipping over. It is like a go-kart in the way that it just skids around instead of heeling.
The guy in the Dutch roll is doing his very best to make the craft roll over like that. I wouldn't even know how to do that and that is the honest truth. I did had a fair amount of spin outs though. Very exiting to do a spin-out but also absolutely harmless.
Now I wouldn't put kids in class 5 or class 3 landyachts as with those craft you can just drive yourself to death. But then again these go 100-130 kph (60-80 mph) and accellerate to that speed within 5 to 6 seconds. But these blokarts are alot slower and the driver is well protected behind the frame. Especially if you are riding these craft in urban areas where you don't really get 30 knots of wind that you need to go faster then 60 kph (35 mph).
Hell, I've seen kids make larger and more mean crashes riding bicycles or riding skateboards. As a concept I would qualify especially the latter as more dangerous.
So yes, it looks exiting and it is exciting but it is far less dangerous (when sailing blokarts) then it may appear. As such it may just be what is needed for kids. It looks cool and dangerous but it really isn't so.
But as I said it is just a wild idea.
Wouter
What does it look like when they run into each other?
Jake Kohl
Re: Grow Youth Sailing...It is time to pass the h
[Re: Jake]
#95920 01/29/0706:46 AM01/29/0706:46 AM
About the same as when you last hit another bicycle rider at full speed.
Or, the way you looked when you fell of the stairs this morning or tripped over your shoe laces or tried to walk through your all glass garden doors instead of opening them first.
You know :
BLOODY STUPID !
Wouter
(a few bruses and maybe a bend tube or wheel)
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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