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Re: electronic blues [Re: MauganN20] #98287
02/06/07 11:59 AM
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Yes.. Read the rest of the document as well please, and dont just skim trough it in search of a statement you can pull out of context.

Real world? Did you take the blue or red pill?

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Re: electronic blues [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #98288
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Real world? Did you take the blue or red pill?


I graduated from the socialist University system.

School colors are red and white, so I guess I took the red.

As for the rest of your document, I don't need to read it. I know that-
1) I've been running Vista for a year
2) I've had NO problems with it or using it. Never once has it told me "oh you can't do that".

I could care less what the document says. In this case, I'll post the quote in the context in which it appears. I think you'll find that I didn't portray it in any way out of context.

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Vista's content protection mechanism only allows protected content to be sent over interfaces that also have content-protection facilities built in. Currently the most common high-end audio output interface is S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface Format). Most newer audio cards, for example, feature TOSlink digital optical output for high-quality sound reproduction, and even the latest crop of motherboards with integrated audio provide at least coax (and often optical) digital output. Since S/PDIF doesn't provide any content protection, Vista requires that it be disabled when playing protected content [Note E]. In other words if you've sunk a pile of money into a high-end audio setup fed from an S/PDIF digital output, you won't be able to use it with protected content.

Say you've just bought Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon, released as a Super Audio CD (SACD) in its 30th anniversary edition in 2003, and you want to play it under Vista. Since the S/PDIF link to your amplifier/speakers is regarded as insecure for playing the SA content, Vista disables it, and you end up hearing a performance by Marcel Marceau instead of Pink Floyd.

Similarly, component (YPbPr) video will be disabled by Vista's content protection, so the same applies to a high-end video setup fed from component video. But what if you're lucky enough to have bought a video card that supports HDMI digital video with HDCP content-protection? There's a good chance that you'll have to go out and buy another video card that really does support HDCP, because until quite recently no video card on the market actually supported it even if the vendor's advertising claimed that it did. As the site that first broke the story in their article The Great HDCP Fiasco puts it:

None of the AGP or PCI-E graphics cards that you can buy today support HDCP [...] If you've just spent $1000 on a pair of Radeon X1900 XT graphics cards expecting to be able to playback HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movies at 1920x1080 resolution in the future, you've just wasted your money [...] If you just spent $1500 on a pair of 7800GTX 512MB GPUs expecting to be able to play 1920x1080 HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movies in the future, you've just wasted your money.


(PS, I can't think of anyone that spend that kind of money on a pair of XT1900's that bought not one, but TWO just to play HD movies and not to play their games at the highest framerate possible. Therefore they didn't "waste their money" as this drivel seems to imply)

Re: electronic blues [Re: MauganN20] #98289
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And what is wrong in the quoted text? I am pretty certain Peter Gutmann would be really interested to learn that he is wrong. Send him an e-mail and let him know, but read the mini-FAQ first.
You did not get the point. Do you have a blue-ray or HD-DVD unit at home for your "premium content"?

Congratulations on your prescience, since you alread know what the rest of the document say. Please let me know the winning combination in this weekends lottery, I would really like to know.
Seriously and all sarcasms aside, DRM is for real, and you will not like it if it comes on-line the way Microsoft and the "industry" want it to with Vista. Read the document before you make up your mind.

Re: electronic blues [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #98290
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You did not get the point. Do you have a blue-ray or HD-DVD unit at home for your "premium content"?


No, but I don't use a computer as an entertainment center.

My point with you, in this whole thing is that I've got ancedotal evidence that your fears are unsubstantiated.

I've got real-world experience with the operating system. You, I'm assuming by your glowing endorsement, haven't.

So while you can point to academic papers with impunity and say "read this read this" (which I am, slowly, in between work) I've got the working knowledge that Vista is a solid, reliable piece of software that hasn't kept me from doing anything I've tried to do with it.

Lots of people who have an unfounded paranoia of MS have adopted a "the sky is falling" with regards to the vista release.

I guess I don't have that fear having friends in high places at MS. I do have some major gripes about some MS stuff though. Outlook is horribly slow when physically distanced from its exchange server. WM5 STILL doesn't have A2DP enabled (at least on my phone it doesn't) and the NTFS file system has some functionality issues that I'm quite fed up with, but I don't subscribe to the constant MS-hate speech that employs these two-sided issues as an outrageous one-sided argument.

Tell me what your thoughts are on Wal-Mart Rolph (since you can't seem to spell Maugan correctly) <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: electronic blues [Re: MauganN20] #98291
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Re: electronic blues [Re: MauganN20] #98292
02/06/07 02:13 PM
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I've tested Vista somewhat, it runs OK on my IBM X40, but it is more sluggish than XP is. We will not put Vista into production at work before we absolutely have to tough. For the time being, 2000 and 2003 is the workhorse on the Windows servers we have. I am exposed to Microsoft products all day long at work, running and supporting a 40 node WAN based on XP workstations and Citrix servers where the services are critical for operations. I have also worked some years with software development on Windows. I think I know a bit or two about Microsoft products and the company. Remember "Trusted computing"? I have also followed the media industry, and watched their throes since the Internet boomed. Itunes DRM is nothing compared to what they want to put in place.

Your 'evidence' is based on the narrow bit of Vista you have been exposed to, that is probably why I bother going trough all this with you, trying to demonstrate for you that there is more to it. I dont know exactly why I bother, but if nobody starts asking questions about DRM (Digital Restriction Mechanisms, not "Digital Rights Management"), you'll be surprised in a couple of years.
Bill Gates himself think the computer will be the entertainment centre at home in the near future, and I totally agree. But there is more to DRM than just media and entertainment, as spelled out in the document referenced.

I dont know enough about Wal-Mart to say much, most of what I know is what I have slumped by on Slashdot. Never stopped by a Wal-Mart store while in the US.
Rolph is probably how you would pronounce my name anyway, most who speak english natively do. I dont mind as long as it is not pronounced "[censored]" etc.. Sorry if I misspelled your nick, didn't know it meant that much to you. I'll take care in the future.

Re: electronic blues [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #98293
02/06/07 02:32 PM
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It'll sure be nice when the weather warms up and people can get out on the water again! Major cases of cabin fever here--seems like too many are itchy for a fight about anything! I'm not, but I'd sure like to fight anyone who thinks I am...

Re: electronic blues [Re: papayamon2] #98294
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It'll sure be nice when the weather warms up and people can get out on the water again! Major cases of cabin fever here--seems like too many are itchy for a fight about anything! I'm not, but I'd sure like to fight anyone who thinks I am...


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Re: electronic blues [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #98295
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Maybe computers should be added to religion and politics as things that should not be discussed among friends and family. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, Rolf, how do YOU pronounce your name? Just curious. I have a German friend named Steen, but he pronounces it Stan.

It's hard for me to shake the phonetics I learned in first grade. During my early years of reading, every time I saw the word "isle" in a book, in my head I pronounced it "izzle." <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Re: electronic blues [Re: Mary] #98296
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Anyway, Rolf, how do YOU pronounce your name?


Gahh? How do I explain that?? I dont even know where to start. I think some of the sounds are missing from american english, and the combinations.. I usually go by the name Ralph after three or four tries. But the "ro is pronounced like the english do when say "ro-yal". The "l" in "lf" is pronounced like the "l" in "lazy", and the "f" is easy, just straight short "f". Try to connect them, and you can have a whole evening of fun <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: electronic blues [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #98297
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You'd be nuts to adopt Vista in production at eve of its release. Hell, we JUST now went to XP.

as for this:

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but if nobody starts asking questions about DRM (Digital Restriction Mechanisms, not "Digital Rights Management"), you'll be surprised in a couple of years.


Perhaps I'll be suprised, however I'm willing to jump off the MS bandwagon as soon as I'm displeased with their product. If the sky is indeed going to fall as you seem convinced to think it will, alternate technologies will undoubtedly be available to please those who are displeased with Vista and Gates' vision of planetary conquest.

That paper however, does not convince me. His one-sided arguments can easily be taken from another, less condemning angle.

As for my cabin fever...
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I'll admit I'm stressed out beyond all reasonable measures. Today, I told a vendor that they were "crazy and wreckless" by sending me a confidential clinical laboratory import data in an excel file. I nearly went off on a coworker who basically was trying to throw me under the bus for her own shortcomings and timeline mismanagement. My sailing situation is equally fustrating. After getting the N20, I've found nobody willing to sign up and campaign the boat with me actively as a team - a tribute to my charming personality I'm sure. So it sits in Layline's parking lot. So to say I'm fustrated isn't that far from the truth. I'd rather be sailing than being forced to vegitate in front of these 4 monitors every day and pretending that I like reading email.
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to top it off, my keyboard batteries are dying .,. gah!

Re: electronic blues [Re: MauganN20] #98298
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Tad,
No frostbiting on Lake Lanier to help get you out of the cabin and keep you out of therapy?

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Tad,
No frostbiting on Lake Lanier to help get you out of the cabin and keep you out of therapy?


Not on the nacra.

I don't need therapy, I just need human interaction :P

This is insane, I'm going to shutup now.

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. . .you end up hearing a performance by Marcel Marceau instead of Pink Floyd.



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I tried Firefox, but on the last update it went nuts. Lost function of bookmarks most of the time. Had to go to IE 7. Pete did the programs help. Run them first time in safe mode.

Doug

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I tried Firefox, but on the last update it went nuts. Lost function of bookmarks most of the time. Had to go to IE 7. Pete did the programs help. Run them first time in safe mode.

Doug


Starting to download them now.

Thanks.

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Pete:

Let me know how they do. I run the spyare every nuight and the virus scan once a week. Once it got rid of first viruses, none came back. It stops them dead.

Doug

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I would also recommend the free ZoneAlarm. A few hours after the install the annoying requests for permission to access the internet will subside. It gives you substantially more control over your firewall than the XP firewall. You need to run both AdAware and Spybot as neither will do a complete job, but together they do a fantastic job of cleaning your computer.

Keep in mind that Firefox isn't necessarily more secure than IE, just less hackers are out to get Mozilla. I do prefer Firefox to IE, even the latest update of Firefox.

I have also had Comcast as my ISP for almost 5 years now. They are a good service, but as with any cable ISP if the area you live is has lots of suscribers your speed will slow down at peak times. Take advantage of the McAfee software you get for free from Comcast. Their virus software is worth it, the rest is OK.

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