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RMOCR #65324
01/24/06 08:18 AM
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Day 1 restults and pictures are up on the website
http://www.ussailing.org/olympics/RolexMiamiOCR/


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Re: RMOCR [Re: rhodysail] #65325
01/24/06 08:43 AM
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Forum regular, Mike Dobbs aka "Tornado" is in Miami to sail the RMOCR, but they have quite a lot of trouble with their chartered Tornado
Crewing for Mike is Christopher Stater, former olympic Tornado participant. Chris was born in '52, so he is probably one of the older sailors in the fleet. How about it Rick, ready to go for the "geriatric" price next year as skipper? I volunteer to come over and trim sails for you both up and downwind.

Hope to see Mike sailing on some of the pictures and the video later in the week. He is (as always) posting some great reports on the TornadoCat Yahoo list.

Go Olli & Kelly!!!! [Re: rhodysail] #65326
01/24/06 08:46 AM
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Good luck to the Jasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: RMOCR [Re: rhodysail] #65327
01/24/06 04:48 PM
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USA is 1 & 2 after three races

Re: RMOCR [Re: rhodysail] #65328
01/25/06 12:09 PM
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Go Ollie and Kelly! Chasing Mitch around the course in two races is great!

Dan

Re: RMOCR [Re: Dan_Delave] #65329
01/26/06 02:38 PM
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They finaly got some Tornado pictures on the website photo page


Re: RMOCR [Re: rhodysail] #65330
01/26/06 03:04 PM
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Cool! Polgar and Spalteholz uses a mainsail buildt with Maxx cloth in this event. Same as we buildt 6 months ago.
Of course, we dont have the carbon mast..

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Re: RMOCR [Re: rhodysail] #65331
01/26/06 03:23 PM
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Wow ... that must be a super tough crowd. How long have Olli and Kelly been on a Tornado?


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01/26/06 03:40 PM
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Uh, First time for them, GO JASONS!

Re: RMOCR [Re: Tom Korz] #65333
01/26/06 03:42 PM
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One race left today... Johnny and Charlie have a commanding lead going into the medal round with 4 bullets so far!

Robbie and Henry seem to be struggling in the breezier conditions and are hanging onto 8th place right now. I believe the top 10 continue onto the medal race.

I don't know if rest of the fleet races tommorow or not? Anyone?


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Re: RMOCR [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #65334
01/26/06 03:47 PM
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Robbie and Henry are also using this material in Zucolli Ulman main.


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Re: RMOCR [Re: Mark Schneider] #65335
01/26/06 10:25 PM
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So, Johnny and Charlie have a 20 point lead going into the medal race. They score it double points and you can't drop the last race. So... if they are DFL they have 20 more points and their closest competitor has 2 more points.... They win by 2!... Outstanding!

What do you think about the split fleet and scoring system?




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Re: RMOCR [Re: Mark Schneider] #65336
01/27/06 03:10 AM
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I dont think ISAF went far enough. The system is still complicated, and the winner can as you say still be declared before moving into the final races (barring equipment failure).

Here in Norway we have tested out a system where the top three boats go into final races. Boat nr. 4 and downwards are decided the usual way, but the top three boats start anew with 0 points. Then they race until one boat has two points, this is the winner. Second and third are decided on points, no races can be dropped. This has worked out quite well, and most understand how the winner is decided. I would have liked to see this system in the olympic classes if they needed to dumb down the sport for TV..

Re: RMOCR [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #65337
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It is going to be very interesting to hear what the sailors themselves, in ALL the Olympic classes, think about the new scoring system after this MOCR is over.

Re: RMOCR [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #65338
01/27/06 08:47 AM
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I dont think ISAF went far enough. The system is still complicated, and the winner can as you say still be declared before moving into the final races (barring equipment failure).


So even if someone dominates for days in an event they should be able to loose in the last final races? I'm not exactly sure how I feel about that. Do we really need a "playoffs" in a week long event where one gear failure could destroy your winning opportunity? It makes me nervous just thinking about it...but then again - perhaps that's the point.


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Re: RMOCR [Re: Jake] #65339
01/27/06 09:41 AM
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I dont like it either, but then I know how to count points and am comfortable with letting the victor be decided on the results from a standard series.
The change was forced upon sailing becouse the sport was not TV friendly enough. If it is to be "TV friendly", you need to be able to be able to explain who wins easily, and in 15 seconds
I bet what the IOC and their broadcast managers really want, is one race and first to finish is the winner. Or eventually a series of qualifications like for the 100meters sprint, where the finals decides everything. On water judges (instant justice [tm]), electronic checking of OCS and everything. Perhaps that would have been a better model to get more TV coverage? I doubt it. If we want to make it a TV sport, the whole sport should be re-worked in my opinion. I dont want that to happen..

The model I described has been tested at our nationals for the last years, and it's what our national assoc. worked for at the ISAF meeting where the current format was decided. Letting the top three teams from the series start on zero, and race for first, second and third isn't that bad. At least you have more than one chance, and it's easy to explain and add up the points. But as Mary says, it will be interesting to hear what the participants at Miami have to say.

Re: RMOCR [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #65340
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It's blowin' in Miami today!!!!

Re: RMOCR [Re: Tom Korz] #65341
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Thanks Tom!

Yeah, blowing nuts here right now. Our race this morning was cancelled due to high winds (upper 20s). Currently wind is between 22-25kts with gusts of 30. They are starting the medal race at around 2:30.

Re: RMOCR [Re: F18OxJ] #65342
01/29/06 09:16 AM
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No Tornado coverage on the videos T2P.tv did

Re: RMOCR [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #65343
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No Tornado coverage on the videos T2P.tv did


Indeed; utter cack!


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