So Mark, do you suggest racing uni at the two up rating of 65.2 and reporting that to Portsmouth?

Robbie, Tshan you confuse two things here. Determining a PN Rating and Handicap racing.


Determining a PN Rating.
What you and the F16 class must do is
Report the elapsed time for the first F16 main and spin, the first 2up F16 and the elapsed times for the first of any other class of boat sailing that same course within oh… 10 minutes of your start. Don’t count on the RC… It’s the last of their worries at the end of a regatta.

Remember…ONLY ELAPSED TIMES MATTER… the corrected time, the rating used, the finish position are irrelevant. You also need all configurations of the F16’s. and windspeed.

You can’t count on the RC doing this… Duplicate information won’t hurt the PN Committee if the race gets submitted twice.
So… even when you get a one design race off… Collecting and reporting info on the other races running the course will serve your cause and have complete integrity.

Handicap Racing.

Everyone agrees that the sailors want a level and fair playing field.

Over the past year and 1/2 the consensus among US F16 Sailors is that the rating is way too slow for both configurations. (not to mention your competitors point of view)

The first approach to this problem was to use the faster rating of the two. This was adopted by the Chesapeake sailors and Florida sailors

Now, Race results, EU race Results, ISAF and Texel ratings document that the current ratings are about 7% too slow.

So, that leaves you Robbie with a decision…. What rating should I use for the Regatta this weekend? If I use the slow rating… I know that I have an unfair advanatage.. HMMM>.


If you leave up to the RC… they will score you according to the USPN table.… (they have no choice)

So, IMO, Now you have an integrity issue…. You know the rating is wrong, the playing field is not fair and you have a huge advantage over everyone else in the race.!

When you say… Sigh… we will just keep turning in results and hope that ratings correct to the fair rating… What more can we do ....that is the system.…

That is just crap.

As an individual…you can ask to use a faster rating which is in line with Texel and ISAF SCR. The RC won’t care…the Portsmouth committee won’t care…

In fact… that is already what the majority of Florida and MD sailors are doing…. They sail one up and use the faster two up rating.

You can also as a class… persuade your sailors to use a proper rating.. When they register for a race… they say… Please use this rating… it is faster across the board then published ratings. Thank you.

I believe this is what Wouter is suggesting with the term RESET the rating.

Every race that you compete in will now be a fair contest between you and the other sailors.

Now… nothing can stop other F16’ from using the published ratings…. So be it.
But if you believe the F16 rating is way off… tben you will be racing with integrity.


Robie wrote…
Some say use the UNI rating, report it, and it will get changed.
You say sail with the faster rating report it and it will be the only one to be used.

You report the ELAPSEP TIME>>> NOT the corrected time… not the finish position, not the rating. The RATING that you choose to race with does NOT MATTER to the PN Committee.

The only thing you, Robbie should do is report exactly the configuration that turned in the elapsed times to the Pn Committee and wind conditions.

Now I am confused, how can I (Robi) help Tom Shannon (US Class rep) to get rid of the UNI rating all together?


What can I do when I race, with the numbers, in order to be scored with the 65.2 rating and it gets reported to Portsmouth?


Just to be clear… the 65.2 rating IS NOT REPORTED OR USED BY PORTSMOUTH… only elapsed times matter.
What there is to do is report elapsed times for all classes of boats.

Robbie wrote

Other than asking the RC to score me with the faster rating, what can I do?

Well… you can get the class to generate the consensus Fair Rating for the F16., Ask class members to use this rating when they go racing… take on reporting elapsed times to the PN committee for every race and not depend on the Race Committee. This will get your published rating in line as soon as possible.

Take Care
Mark