Agree, lets not go to Zandvoort every year. We have not had a GC at Mumbles yet, but alternating between two places is no good. But taking out some dividers and the Frapper F-16 map quickly determines the actual clubs in my opinion. Keeping travel time and cost down will probably maximise participation?

Kiel? If we are going to travel, there are lots of other places in Germany which I think are better but that discussion is premature. So far there are two Stealth F-16s in Sweden and two (or three) Ply Blades under construction in Finland. Norway will have their first F-16s the coming spring. Catering to these areas should not be a priority just now, in my opinion.

About surf and shallow sailing areas.. Me dont like! Knowing when to put on the brakes is a race winning skill, but I enjoy far more to launch in relatively safety and being able to go full out. We have been fast in large waves on the Tornado, so we have the skills for it, but I find it far more enjoyable to race on relatively flat water. To have flat water, you need deep water and relatively closed areas. Closed areas give the locals an advantage as they will know the geographical shifts, but still.. The venues selected must have enough wind, and not too much wind, and be sailable in most conditions. I felt really sorry for guys like Marcus who went to great expense to sail at Zandvoort and had too much surf and waves for sailing. I suppose all this are under discussion (but it would be good to know a bit more)