I come back on my remarks concerning Hellevoetsluis in the Netherlands (= catclub Hellecat) as a possible location. If other countries are not able or suitable this is a very good spot. For your information, it is not the Dutch A-class organisation which is organizing the Dutch Nationals. They are "only" guests of Hellecat who is doing all of the organisation. For Hellecat it will be no problem (they will sell more beer + have more money from subscribers)to have 2 startgroups and do the same amount of work for two parties that they otherwise have to do for the A-cats only. Perhaps the A-cat guys will be not amused if we "steal their wind". It is silly to think that we would have a lower status for the Hellecat-people. As far as I know they don't practice apartheid. For us as F16's it will be very luxerious, nothing has to be organized. I admit you have to pull the boat yourself onto the beach after sailing. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />