Tony, with regards to sports clubs/associations etc in Singapore, they either tend to be National associations ie Singapore Sailing, or if they are country club, sailing clubs etc, they tend to be registered as private companies. I know in Australia you guys have like the 16ft skiff club and lots of really small clubs and associations. it doesn't happen here. Oh yeah and many of these clubs that are registered as private companies require less red tape. Associations, ie in the case of F16 association here in Singapore, are supposed to be non profit and thus the government keeps a pretty close eye to make sure that is stays a non profit and the money is being used correctly etc. I was suggesting to the local F16 dealers here that our F16 association could be registered as a private company to bypass the red tape but i'm not sure how the international association would take to that.