Hobie1616, I see your point.

I used to road race, averaging 300 mi/wk, with a team... I still have my bike, a TREK aluminum-frame with a Dura-Ace brake-lever shifting gruppo (it was new at the time, and the Al frame was stiffer than carbon, at that time), a Selle Italia Ti seat, yada yada...

I now am happily chubby and fart around on my TREK 7500, hybrid, with its radial-spoke BONTRAGER rims. Wow, base model bikes are now like racing bikes used to be.