Thanks for all the info! I am really glad I found this forum. I would not considard myself a novice sailor (placed 16th in CORK in laser class) but I have never sailed a Cat I am sure it is quite different but I didn't want a boat without dagger boards or a boat that dosn't have all the adjustments. I want to be able to sail upwind with ease also. it will be used on a lake @ my cottage and a larger lake near my home (Lake Ontario). any other boats you would recommend? I am looking for a boat that I can single hand most of the time and also have the option for taking a friend out the odd time. the boat I would love is either a Narca 17 or an FXOne but $$$$$.