well put captain dave, i think you concluded the debates over the bob... by the way, does the bob stay on when trailering and does it hit the ground if you step the mast solo? Mary, when attaching the life jacket, if you clip it to the halyard, it SHOULD slide down to the bottom, the milk jug... even thats a bit too cheap for me, and flatlander, thats an incredibly scary story there, glad to here you both came out of it ok