Thanks, Rick and Mary.

The new system sounds better for trapezing becuause you could configure a hotstick for that like Hobie's other boats BUT far inferior in many other ways. I'm sorry to hear that - sounds like a big step back in the performance of the rudders. Personally, I think the best configuration (if you want to trapeze) is the shorter arms with the more robust consturction of the older rudders. Any way to still get the old rudder parts from Hobie to accomplish that? Could H16 or Getaway rudder castings etc be used?

Jerry