I'm with Pat. A slightly above average guy can hang near the top, if he works at it, listens very carefully, and gets a lot of practice. I know because I've done it on skis, and seen friends do it sailing. No amount of training and coaching will make a J.C., Randy, or Enrique etc. out of you if the talent isn't there. Competing against those guys can elevate your skill level tremendously. I bet most of you guys have a sense of that.