OK...so at what point would you guys suggest consideration should be given to change? When Greenland is completely unfrozen? When the ice caps are gone? At what point is it too late to affect change? You've gone from "there's no problem" to "even if there is a problem, there's nothing we can do about it so we shouldn't try".

Look, I was a really big skeptic at the beginning of the film and I really annoyed Bonnie by going "yeah, well...he says that but you can look at that another way" through half of the thing. While there are some disputable pieces of information, there are some really interesting points...BIG points about how our current administration looks at the "economics" of the Kyosho treaty. How we make make and accept excuses that for our auto makers to make more fuel efficient cars would be to destroy the big automakers. Also how the freakin' head of a petroleum institute becomes ecological adviser, makes a huge ethical mistake by "editing" a scientific report, resigns, and goes to work for Exxon the very next day, and so on. Big oil is at the top and as long as they are making the determination of what is too much of an "economical consequence" (Kyosho Treaty), that's going to mean of consequence to the oil industry...not you and not me. Cars are still going to sell if they get 50 mpg. Electricity might get a little more expensive, but I'll still be designing and selling case packing equipment. It's the oil that will not sell in the same vast quantities if we become more efficient. We are glaringly falling behind the rest of the world in this respect.

I would like you skeptics to watch the thing, then come back and discuss. At the very least, it stays relatively entertaining (and the guy is refreshingly capable of speaking coherently)

Last edited by Jake; 03/15/07 02:38 PM.

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