sorry to put words in timbos mouth its just how i read it, but as for china my point was they know about this, they are very worried about it and investing heavely in green tecnologies, it is just we are in a position to do somthing about this and the chinise would be happy to follow when it is economicaly better for them than burning their dirty brown coal, we don't have to perswade them this is happening they know whats happening, its all down to the economics once low carbon tecnologies are cheeper than coal oil and gas every country will do it