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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: ubicomp] #114709
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This is what I call a Jessica Lynch.
Other people call it spin.
In less creative places it is still just called a lie....a big fat lie.

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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: warbird] #114710
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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: MarkW_F18] #114711
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from the "A Very Small World" Blog
http://iteamblog.abc7news.com/2007/08/a-very-small-wo.html

"At the start of the hearing, Superior Court Judge Robert Crone announced he had something to disclose. He performed the wedding ceremony 15-18 years ago for Russell Perdock."

talking about the Good Ole Boys conspiracy


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: MarkW_F18] #114712
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Oh far out, it just keeps getting better!!!

And we wonder why boating isn't a more popular past time, with stories like this, who'd want to be part of it. Noone knows if they're safe on the water, even if they think they know the rules and try to abide by them.

We've had a similar incident on our local bay last weekend. On dusk, it appears as though a small fast power boat ran into a larger slow cruiser resulting in 4? dead. The two debates at the moment are about the age of the skipper of the cruiser and licensing procedures. He was 16, licensed and not under the influence of alcohol, and the only person of 17? on the two boats not injured in the incident. The general opinion is that licensing in our region is a joke that any fool can obtain, you don't even need to know how to tie your boat to a pontoon!

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: ncik] #114713
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No licencing here but anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed to pilot a boat of any description over 5 knots.
Last thing we need is licencing. We need less people on the water so the worse it looks the better as far as I am concerned, Keep all of the loons out on the roads.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: warbird] #114714
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bump - to keep it towards the top

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Will_R] #114715
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Just a question on the rules of the water way.. be in night or day.. I thougt sailboats had the right of way no matter what! given the fact that They dont have a moter and are dependant on wind!!!


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: BowtieWarrior] #114716
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That is true, however I think they are attesting that he could not keep clear b/c he didn't see them b/c they didn't have their lights on.

The nearest I can come up with an analogy is this:
You're driving down the road at night with your lights off and another car runs a stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? He could not see you, but he also ran a stop sign.

I've spent a LOT of time boating at night on boat sailboats and large and small power boats... I'll admit... in several cases we've been going a weeeee too fast (70+) and you can't see a lot. Day markers and running lights, but that's about it. You have to be very careful with any lights b/c white lights can easily blend in with lights on shore. So even if their lights were on... it might be difficult to see.

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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Will_R] #114717
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agreed Its all weird to me the lakes I have been on at night are DNR controlled at 15 MPH limit and mandatory lights and trust me they are on the lake well past 2 AM looking to get anyone they can!

going 50 at night on the lake I am close to you could not do it for more that 15 seconds and then you still might get a ticked for speeding!


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: BowtieWarrior] #114718
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Something else that bugs me here is (from I can tell and I may be wrong) it seems that the collision happened somewhat near a marina . Aren't you supposed to go much slower in these areas even if you don't see other boats with or without lights on?


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Banzilla] #114719
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If you're outside a break wall or area with speed control markers... no.

The lake I grew up on (KY and Barkley lakes) has a lot of barge traffic. There have been several bass boats running way too fast and run into the side of a a barge in the dark.... they're nothing but a greasy spot on the side...

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Will_R] #114720
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This is a chance for authorities to realise that speed at night is stupid.
keep it real simple.
Having the freedom to go joyriding in the dark is s t u p i d.
This is worse than having the right to drift a car around any large car park at night with no lights with you car jumping over lumps and no xtra ambiant lighting while others sit in legally parked cars.....or illegally parked cars for that matter.
Some freedoms are not sensible, like thinking that kids should have the freedom to carry guns in schools to proterct themsleves from madmen!
I can just see the local school drug dealing student telling the principal he shot in self defence with a gun he had the perfect legal right to carry.
OR, "I know that kid has a gun, so I'll just smash him from behind and suddenly I am armed".
OR, "I was just playing with it and it went off and blew her head off!"

There is no defence for the speeding boat and any amount of justification won't change that reality.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Banzilla] #114721
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1. I would like to add having been almost hit three times during the DAY, it only takes a couple of seconds with their eyes off the road and it is all over. I always noticed the motor boats skipper was looking away, until the last second.

2. I think I read the cabin lights were on, from my experience the interior lights highlight a boat from the rear much more than a stern light.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: sail7seas] #114722
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When assigning blame, they need to ask two questions:

1. If the sailboat's running lights were on, would the woman still be alive?

Answer: Maybe, maybe not. The power boat may have been able to see the sailboat without them, or the powerboat may not have noticed them even if they were on.

2. If the cop had been driving at a SAFE speed, would the woman still be alive?

Answer: Definitely YES. By definition, a safe speed is the speed at which you can avoid a serious accident. Even if the collision had occurred anyway, the damage would have been minimal, and the woman would have survived.

Therefore, the guilt should be left to the juries to decide; but as for charges filed, the crooked cop should have been the first one charged!

A similar case occurred in downtown Indianapolis a few years ago when a joy-riding cop (no lights or siren, maybe even no headlights) blew through a stoplight and killed a kid driving on the cross street. At first the police department claimed he was on a "silent run", till it came out there was no such run dispatched. The cop walked away with no charges filed, because it could not be proven that the kid did not die as a result of negligence on the part of the ambulance technician who treated him! (Completely disregarding the fact that he wouldn't have needed treatment if the cop hadn't creamed him!)


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: IndyWave] #114723
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sorry, but... bump... too important to let fall off the charts.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: Will_R] #114724
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I agree.. has anyone heard anything new about this story? I've been checking the local TV station that has been giving really good updates.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/index?section=i_team&id=3266408
The last I heard they were waiting to hear back from the State Dept of Justice. They are investigating to see if the Police followed proper procedures. I think that was going to take several weeks.


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: MarkW_F18] #114725
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weeks drift into months and a year later they say everything was fine with police procedure but the charges have been dropped because the man has faced enough pain for his mistake. bla bla bla.
Did anyone see that crazy cop going off at the motorist who had a dash cam??!! Greeat! We all need one.
Someone tell me that that cop was not taking his dash cam back to base and having a big laugh with his cop buddies when on doughnut duty.....Oh no, that's right, it was a one off event.......EXCEPT THE COPS DASH CAM FOOTAGE HAS SOMEHOW GONE WEST!!!!
Imagine such damning police evidence going missing when it is about one of thier own.
Just a few bad eggs make the whole place smell bad.
What is it they say about pigs/ Oh that's right, they can fly.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: warbird] #114726
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The dash cam was actually a head restraint cam owned by the kid who got stopped.


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Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: hobie1616] #114727
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tech can work both ways. A police officer here just got done for trying to destroy an airport carpack servailance video which showed him beating on someone....he lost his job,,,,funny thing was the court decided he hadn't been too tough on the woman. He lost his job for trying to destroy evidence.

Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat [Re: warbird] #114728
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"tech can work both ways. A police officer here just got done for trying to destroy an airport carpack servailance video which showed him beating on someone....he lost his job,,,,funny thing was the court decided he hadn't been too tough on the woman. He lost his job for trying to destroy evidence"

Has to be a KIWI thing !!!!

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